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John Spray | 2 Aug 2009 11:09
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Re: Trouble compiling referencer 1.1.5

Fix for that is already in mercurial head.  Which reminds me, I should probably release this thing...

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Elias Pipping <elias <at> pipping.org> wrote:
Hi,

I'm having trouble compiling referencer 1.1.5.

At first, I configured w/ --disable-python; compilation failed, though,
with

 PluginManager.h:8:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory

Then I hit the problem Andreas Wagner mentioned in an earlier
mail, of uint64_t being undefined. Since I couldn't find a reason for
the two variables that are declared as such to be exactly 64bits long, I
declared them as unsigned long int instead (thereby making them at
least 64bits long) -- see the attached patch.


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John Spray | 2 Aug 2009 11:39
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Re: usability regressions


(I'm doing my periodic round of "oops, I never replied to that email...")

If you're still interested, please go ahead and implement tag-dragging, it would be nice.

John

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Henry Gomersall <whg21 <at> cam.ac.uk> wrote:
Having used Referencer for some time now, I have noticed a couple of
usability regressions appear in recent versions.

The first is the default edit mode, where one can edit metadata in the
list view. This disallows, what I would argue, is the more common usage
of using Referencer as a means of organising commonly accessed papers.
Ie, edit once, view many. For this reason the emphasis should be placed
on easy opening, not on easy editing. Triple click is not a discoverable
way of opening documents (i stumbled upon it accidentally!). Allowing
editing in list view is also inconsistent with disallowing it in icon
view. Further to this, the open action should follow the desktop default
if possible; e.g. look up the /apps/nautilus/preferences/click_policy
key to get whether single click opening is required. This is a good
example of where single click is simply unused at the moment (which is
crazy, as its the most basic mouse entry method!).

The second regression is the loss of the tag check-box pane. Now adding
tags to an entry in list view requires 2 extra clicks per tag (and
discoverability is broken). The power of Referencer is in its tags and
so hiding the tag attachment is a loss. Perhaps this could be somehow
combined with the visible tag list (in F-Spot, tags can be dragged onto
the item to be tagged). The little mouse-over icons in icon view are
neat (but I think should not disappear after selecting a tag - allowing
multiple tagging at once).

Finally, instant apply would be a very useful feature. I have often
added papers and exited only to open Referencer again and realised they
are no longer present in my list.

I would be happy to get involved in development efforts.

Other than the above gripes, I think referencer is a great piece of
software!

Thanks,

Henry

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John Spray | 2 Aug 2009 13:51
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[Announce] Referencer 1.1.6

All,

I finally got around to uploading a new referencer build at
http://icculus.org/referencer/downloads/referencer-1.1.6.tar.gz

Changes since 1.1.5:
    - Work around gconf bug (gnome #586532)
    - Include document key when searching
    - Don't attempt to retrieve text for non-pdf files
    - Improved search (Robert Vincent)
    - Strip leading tokens from DOIs (Bug 385913)
    - Clickable document icon in DocumentProperties
    - Support complimentary crossref accounts (Bug 373342)
    - Fix mnemonic for Type field in DocumentProperties (Bug 377221)
    - Prevent creation of duplicate tag names (Bug 339593)
    - Include document notes in searches
    - Plugin interface: add bibtex_to_fields utility function,
      add print_bibtex method to PythonDocument
    - Docbook manual (Mario Blätterman)
    - UI tweaks (Kai Willadsen, Bugs 297081, 297079)

John

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Elias Pipping | 2 Aug 2009 18:12

Re: [Announce] Referencer 1.1.6

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:51:35 +0100
John Spray <jcspray <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> I finally got around to uploading a new referencer build at
> http://icculus.org/referencer/downloads/referencer-1.1.6.tar.gz
> 
> Changes since 1.1.5:
>     - Work around gconf bug (gnome #586532)
>     - Include document key when searching
>     - Don't attempt to retrieve text for non-pdf files
>     - Improved search (Robert Vincent)
>     - Strip leading tokens from DOIs (Bug 385913)
>     - Clickable document icon in DocumentProperties
>     - Support complimentary crossref accounts (Bug 373342)
>     - Fix mnemonic for Type field in DocumentProperties (Bug 377221)
>     - Prevent creation of duplicate tag names (Bug 339593)
>     - Include document notes in searches
>     - Plugin interface: add bibtex_to_fields utility function,
>       add print_bibtex method to PythonDocument
>     - Docbook manual (Mario Blätterman)
>     - UI tweaks (Kai Willadsen, Bugs 297081, 297079)
> 
> John

Hi,

great -- the default configuration compiles and works for me now. The
issue w/ --disable-python still depending on python, and thus failing to
compile, remains, though.

How about, instead of replacing the default behavior of Ctrl+C and
Ctrl+V, moving what it currently does to Ctrl+Shift+C/V or moving
copying/pasting to those keys btw?

To add an arxiv link to a document, one currently has to
 * go to properties
 * expand extra fields
 * add a field
 * enter eprint as the field name 
 * select the newly added field
 * click edit
 * type in the url

that takes quite a while and gets very annoying once you've done it a
couple of times.

Another issue is: I have this article in my library:

  <doc>
    <filename>file:///home/pipping/Documents/Papers/2008-ChoiGarciaMaestreMartin.pdf</filename>
    <relative_filename>2008-ChoiGarciaMaestreMartin.pdf</relative_filename>
    <key>2008-ChoiGarciaMaestreMartin</key>
    <notes>http://qjmath.oxfordjournals.org/content/vol59/issue4/index.dtl
http://math.postech.ac.kr/~mathchoi/
http://www.ugr.es/~mmartins/Curriculum/curriculum.html</notes>
    <bib_type>article</bib_type>
    <bib_doi>10.1093/qmath/ham054</bib_doi>
    <bib_title>The polynomial numerical index for some complex vector-valued function spaces</bib_title>
    <bib_authors>Yun Sung Choi and Domingo Garc<C3><AD>a and Manuel Maestre and Miguel Mart<C3><AD>n</bib_authors>
    <bib_journal>Quart. J. Math.</bib_journal>
    <bib_volume>59</bib_volume>
    <bib_number></bib_number>
    <bib_pages>455-474</bib_pages>
    <bib_year>2008</bib_year>
  </doc>

and for some reason it sorts as if it started with an A. Here's a
screenshot:

  http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4706/screenshotezs.png

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Gour | 12 Aug 2009 07:41
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Referencer vs. Mendeley

Hi!

I 'discovered' Referencer yesterday after exchanging some email with a
friend who uses Biblioscape and told me it would be one reason to keep
Windoze (he is buying Mac).

Since I've to resume my studies I was researching if there is something
new in Linux arena (in the past I was using tkbibtex & pybliographer
with LyX and was playing with RefDB). There is, of course, JabRef but I
cannot use it due to the bug when running under Xmonad WM.

Then, I stumbled upon Referencer and, so far, I like it a lot!!!
Congratulations to all devs working on it.

Since I tinker with Python (for Django), maybe there will be possibility
to write some plugin.

However, I've noticed in list's archive about Mendeley and wonder if
some more experienced user can tell me what would be main differences
between the two (I also recommended Mendeley Desktop to my Win-friend)
or if the two are heading into some direction, is there anything missing
in Referencer to bring it on par with Mendeley?

Personally, I prefer Referencer's GUI (as well as toolkit), along with
its license. :-)

Sincerely,
Gour

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John Spray | 12 Aug 2009 12:06
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Re: Referencer vs. Mendeley


The main difference you'll find with Mendeley is that it has a web backend which (I think) stores your library info centrally and allows you to do last.fm-style statistics on which papers are similar to others.  I think Mendeley might also have better brute-force metadata scraping on PDFs which don't have document IDs, but I don't really know.

But I haven't used them side by side for some time, so comments from anyone who has might be more helpful...

John

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Gour <gour <at> gour-nitai.com> wrote:
Hi!

I 'discovered' Referencer yesterday after exchanging some email with a
friend who uses Biblioscape and told me it would be one reason to keep
Windoze (he is buying Mac).

Since I've to resume my studies I was researching if there is something
new in Linux arena (in the past I was using tkbibtex & pybliographer
with LyX and was playing with RefDB). There is, of course, JabRef but I
cannot use it due to the bug when running under Xmonad WM.

Then, I stumbled upon Referencer and, so far, I like it a lot!!!
Congratulations to all devs working on it.

Since I tinker with Python (for Django), maybe there will be possibility
to write some plugin.

However, I've noticed in list's archive about Mendeley and wonder if
some more experienced user can tell me what would be main differences
between the two (I also recommended Mendeley Desktop to my Win-friend)
or if the two are heading into some direction, is there anything missing
in Referencer to bring it on par with Mendeley?

Personally, I prefer Referencer's GUI (as well as toolkit), along with
its license. :-)


Sincerely,
Gour

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Gour | 12 Aug 2009 12:30
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Re: Referencer vs. Mendeley

>>>>> "John" == John Spray <jcspray <at> gmail.com> writes:

John> The main difference you'll find with Mendeley is that it has a web
John> backend which (I think) stores your library info centrally and
John> allows you to do last.fm-style statistics on which papers are
John> similar to others.  

Hmm, that's not so important in my case...

John> I think Mendeley might also have better brute-force metadata
John> scraping on PDFs which don't have document IDs, but I don't really
John> know.  

I see that's tagged as 'started' on their feedback system and on the top
with 359 votes and labelled as 'Improve quality of automatic metadata
extraction'.

Interestingly enough, 2nd place with 350 votes, tagged as 'planned' is
'LaTeX integration in Mendeley Desktop', and 5th place with 266 votes is
'to publish your desktop under GPL license.'

John> But I haven't used them side by side for some time, so comments
John> from anyone who has might be more helpful...

Thank you...

It looks that for now, there are not many compelling features in MD to
replace Referencer.

Sincerely,
Gour

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Laércio Lima Pilla | 26 Aug 2009 16:28
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Relative address for pdf

Hello,

I want to use Referencer with some files that I store at Dropbox ( https://www.getdropbox.com/ ).  The problem here is that my Dropbox folder at the university and at home are on different absolute addresses. I would like to know if there is some way to use relative addresses with Referencer so my pdfs will work at both places.

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Aurélien Naldi | 26 Aug 2009 16:45
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Re: Relative address for pdf

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Laércio Lima Pilla<llpilla <at> inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to use Referencer with some files that I store at Dropbox (
> https://www.getdropbox.com/ ).  The problem here is that my Dropbox folder
> at the university and at home are on different absolute addresses. I would
> like to know if there is some way to use relative addresses with Referencer
> so my pdfs will work at both places.
>
> Best Regards,

Hi,

I do just that without a problem as referencer already stores both
absolute and relative paths.
I have a folder containing my referencer file and a subfolder with the
pdf files, it may not work if the pdfs are not in a subfolder.

Regards.

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Rodrigo Kassick | 27 Aug 2009 17:26
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Re: Relative address for pdf

Hey Pilla,

Try saving your refbib file in the dropbox and then add the PDF's

Kassick.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Laércio Lima Pilla <llpilla <at> inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
Hello,

I want to use Referencer with some files that I store at Dropbox ( https://www.getdropbox.com/ ).  The problem here is that my Dropbox folder at the university and at home are on different absolute addresses. I would like to know if there is some way to use relative addresses with Referencer so my pdfs will work at both places.

Best Regards,

Laércio Lima Pilla
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