1 Mar 02:18 2005

### Re: Need help for hebrew fonts


On 1 Mar 2005, at 1:32 AM, Herb Schulz wrote:

> This hasn't been my experience. I recently added the Bera fonts and the
> updmap certainly added the map files and pdflatex was able to use it
> (does
> it use dvips' map?).

Actually, so did I. What was I thinking? Too late a night post.
Apologies!
Okay, so placing cjhebrew.map in ~/Library/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/ and
running
sudo updmap --disable cjhebrew.map
sudo updmap --enable Map cjhebrew.map
sorted things out nicely.
Sorry again for the confusion.

Now can we see if Christian has got things working?

W

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1 Mar 09:14 2005

Hi --

I have a font here (CgHollandse) that has way too much leading built
in. I've tried \linespread to move the lines closer together, but this
does not seem to work with values smaller than 1.

Is there another command to accomplish this?

Thanks,

-- Hans vM

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1 Mar 09:14 2005

### Re: New world record!


Le 26 févr. 05, à 11:53, Jonathan Kew a écrit :

> On 26 Feb 2005, at 9:51 am, Jérôme Laurens wrote:
>
>> My HD was surprisingly full at startup today.
>> After some investigation, it appears that I played too much with the
>> arabic example of the xetex distribution.
>> The result was "simply" a 47.3 Gb Arabic.log file...
>>
>
> Ouch!
>
> Could it be that you ran into the xetex infinite-[][][][]... bug? If
> so, updating to the latest release should fix this.

Yes it was. I did not pay much attention to the log output while
running the xetex task in some background context.

And AFAIR, removing the file occurred quite instantaneously. But I have
no special system setting to really erase the file contents, I guess
only the file map entries were deleted.

>
> If that wasn't it, I'd appreciate knowing what else caused it to run
>
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1 Mar 11:13 2005

### Re: Empty boxes, no chars


Am 28.02.2005 um 17:47 schrieb Bruno Voisin:

> I cheated: I copied the macro from the corresponding input in the
> computer file for the TeXbook, available from CTAN in directory
> tex-archive/systems/knuth/tex/, and edited it slightly to make it

Hello!

I looked into my TeX Collection 2004 DVD -- and there is Knuth's
TeXbook! And if it's still to hard to learn TeX from it, it at least
explains a bit on typesetting and gives an impression how this is done
the American way.

So I have another DVD I won't give away.

--
Greetings

Pete

Math illiteracy affects 7 out of every 5 Americans.

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1 Mar 12:13 2005

On 1 mrt 2005, at 9:14, Hans van Maanen wrote:

> Hi --
>
> I have a font here (CgHollandse) that has way too much leading built
> in. I've tried \linespread to move the lines closer together, but this
> does not seem to work with values smaller than 1.
>
> Is there another command to accomplish this?

Are you sure you applied it in the correct way:

(\linespread needs to be followed by \selectfont for htte change to
register:
)

Maarten

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1 Mar 13:30 2005

### overview of what TeX is producing

I have been trying to explain exactly what TeX does to people - not the
technical stuff but the principles that it enacts typographically. Does
anyone know of a good source? For instance, I know it calculates the
spaces between the letters optimally. But are there proportions in the
defaults that mean the margins are the right size in relation to text,
in the way that the bottom part of a picture frame is always about 10%
bigger than the top?

in other words, *why* is TeX output so elegant to the human eye?

any answers will help.I am being leant on (as ususal) to justify why I
am not sending people Word documents and have decided to go on the
offentsive (ie giving up on 'it works better for me') and trying to sell
them the idea that they are using an inferior set up There's no hope
that they will adopt TeX - they find Word tricky enough - but I might be
able to convince them that my results justify the means...

cheers
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1 Mar 13:41 2005

### Re: overview of what TeX is producing

On 1 mrt 2005, at 13:30, Jason Davies wrote:

> in other words, *why* is TeX output so elegant to the human eye?

Get a copy of the thesis by Hàn Thé Thành
It has a nice overview and comparison between various enhancements (or
lack thereof)

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1 Mar 13:54 2005

Hi --

No, it's
that does not work.

Maybe I should have added I use XeLaTex here, to be able to use the
font. Does that make any difference?

-- Hans

> Are you sure you applied it in the correct way:
>
> (\linespread needs to be followed by \selectfont for htte change to
> register:
> )
>
> Maarten
>
>
>> Hi --
>>
>> I have a font here (CgHollandse) that has way too much leading built
>> in. I've tried \linespread to move the lines closer together, but
>> this does not seem to work with values smaller than 1.
>>
>> Is there another command to accomplish this?
>


1 Mar 14:19 2005

On 1 Mar 2005, at 12:54 pm, Hans van Maanen wrote:

> Hi --
>
> No, it's
> that does not work.
>
> Maybe I should have added I use XeLaTex here, to be able to use the
> font. Does that make any difference?
>
>

XeTeX calculates "height" and "depth" of each line on the basis of the
"ascent" and "descent" values that the font claims. If these are
excessive, then TeX's \lineskip will kick in and override the normal
\baselineskip setting (see The TeXbook, chapter 12), and in effect this
will cause a minimum linespacing. So the leading that you're seeing is
what the font designer (for better or worse) decided was the minimum
appropriate amount.

To work around this, you'd need to set \lineskiplimit to a negative
value, so that TeX will allow the ascent of one line to (theoretically)
overlap the descent of the preceding line, without switching from

You should be able to confirm that this is the issue by setting
something like

\lineskiplimit = -1000pt


1 Mar 14:25 2005

### Re: overview of what TeX is producing

On Mar 1, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Jason Davies wrote:

> I have been trying to explain exactly what TeX does to people - not the
> technical stuff but the principles that it enacts typographically. Does
> anyone know of a good source? For instance, I know it calculates the
> spaces between the letters optimally. But are there proportions in the
> defaults that mean the margins are the right size in relation to text,
> in the way that the bottom part of a picture frame is always about 10%
> bigger than the top?

Somewhat. The memoir manual has a good discussion of page proportion,
as well as providing documentation on some memoir macros to support
such. Other packages more strictly intended for similar things are
classics and octavo.

I list it and some other on-line tex documentation at:

Not listed yet, but really needing to be added is the booktabs
documentation:

http://www.tug.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/booktabs/
booktabs.pdf

> in other words, *why* is TeX output so elegant to the human eye?

Because Knuth studied typography carefully before attempting to create
a typesetting system.