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alex wallis | 2 Oct 2009 17:25

building accessible vmware images to work with rockbox.

Hi list.
I hope this is the write list to post the following question, as it is to do 
with rockbox compilation.

Through my connections at college, I have just encountered a person who has 
extensive experience of working with linux, and of making it accessible.

I have been in touch with him and talked to him about rockbox as at the 
moment, for blind users the only option if we want to compile rockbox 
without help is to use cygwin or to switch to a propper linux environment. I 
would prefer to run a vmware image as then I can continue working in windows 
while stuff to do with rockbox is going on in the background.

The guy I talked to seemed interested in assisting me with creating an 
accessible vmware image to compile rockbox, and also to turn my computer 
into a build server.

He has suggested the best approach is to create an image from scratch, 
rather than trying to make the current vmware images accessible.

So hear are my questions,
if he assists me, what packages would he need to put into a distribution in 
order for me to compile rockbox? is it just the ones for cygwin, as in if he 
just puts in the packages that are listed for selection when you set up a 
cygwin environment would that be ok?
if he follows the list given on the rockbox site I mean, are there 
particular versions he would need to put into a distribution.

My next question is what packages would need to be put into a distribution 
in order for him to make me an accessible build client? as I have been keen
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Hilton Shumway | 2 Oct 2009 18:16
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Re: building accessible vmware images to work with rockbox.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:25 AM, alex wallis
<alexwallis646 <at> googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> I have been in touch with him and talked to him about rockbox as at the
> moment, for blind users the only option if we want to compile rockbox
> without help is to use cygwin or to switch to a propper linux environment. I
> would prefer to run a vmware image as then I can continue working in windows
> while stuff to do with rockbox is going on in the background.

VMWare is also much faster
>
> So hear are my questions,
> if he assists me, what packages would he need to put into a distribution

What do you mean by 'distribution'? VMWare image?

> in
> order for me to compile rockbox? is it just the ones for cygwin, as in if he
> just puts in the packages that are listed for selection when you set up a
> cygwin environment would that be ok?
> if he follows the list given on the rockbox site I mean, are there
> particular versions he would need to put into a distribution.

You'll need subversion and the Debian package build-essential (or
equivalent) to build the crosscompiler for Rockbox. To build manuals
you'll need the latex or whatever it is packages, and for sims you'll
need the sdl-dev packages. No need for a GUI unless the accessibility
stuff mandates it.
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Hussein Patwa | 2 Oct 2009 19:47
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RE: building accessible vmware images to work with Rockbox.


> The guy I talked to seemed interested in assisting me with creating an
> accessible vmware image to compile rockbox, and also to turn my
> computer
> into a build server.
> 
> He has suggested the best approach is to create an image from scratch,
> rather than trying to make the current vmware images accessible.

I assume what you are thinking of doing is having a VMware image of a
Linux-based operating system configured with some kind of access technology,
be it ORCA or similar.  Then you would load that image, and use the access
software to compile Rockbox, possibly using a semi-automated process by
means of a script rather than entering commands manually.  The script could
be configured to provide options which, when selected by the user, perform
different actions.  This would of course significantly reduce the end-users
requirement to know much about the commands themselves.  Is that along the
lines of what you're thinking?  If so, count me in as being interested.
I've really been getting into VMware lately, so will be happy to offer any
advice or test anything that you need or wish.

> Last question, if he creates me accessible vmware images that can be
> used
> for compiling rockbox or running a build client, would there be any
> interest
> in hosting them so that other people could take advantage of them if
> they
> wanted to get rid of cygwin?

For hosting, I don't know whether this would be acceptable but I have web
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Daniel Stenberg | 2 Oct 2009 19:50
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Re: building accessible vmware images to work with rockbox.

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, alex wallis wrote:

> Last question, if he creates me accessible vmware images that can be used 
> for compiling rockbox or running a build client, would there be any interest 
> in hosting them so that other people could take advantage of them if they 
> wanted to get rid of cygwin?

Sure. Things produced in this project that are of use to others are generally 
made available on the download servers/mirrors and I think this could be put 
there as well.

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  / daniel.haxx.se
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Scott Berry | 2 Oct 2009 20:28
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Re: building accessible vmware images to work with Rockbox.

Hussein,

I also am seeing this as a possible good way to go for myself too.  I work 
in vmware but I am unable to get a desent ubuntu or Debian based system 
going.  I think what you are thinking about would be right up my alley.  I 
would think that maybe that could be used for all images of Rockbox.  In 
otherwords, in your script you could have switches for all the different 
types of devices Rockbox works with or it could say which device would you 
like to build?  What do you think?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hussein Patwa" <rockbox <at> patwanet.co.uk>
To: "'Rockbox development'" <rockbox-dev <at> cool.haxx.se>
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Subject: RE: building accessible vmware images to work with Rockbox.

>
>> The guy I talked to seemed interested in assisting me with creating an
>> accessible vmware image to compile rockbox, and also to turn my
>> computer
>> into a build server.
>>
>> He has suggested the best approach is to create an image from scratch,
>> rather than trying to make the current vmware images accessible.
>
> I assume what you are thinking of doing is having a VMware image of a
> Linux-based operating system configured with some kind of access 
> technology,
> be it ORCA or similar.  Then you would load that image, and use the access
> software to compile Rockbox, possibly using a semi-automated process by
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alex wallis | 2 Oct 2009 21:01

Re: building accessible vmware images to work with Rockbox.


> Hussein,
>
> I also am seeing this as a possible good way to go for myself too.  I work 
> in vmware but I am unable to get a desent ubuntu or Debian based system 
> going.

Hi. I realise this is going slightly off topic, but just as a side note 
regarding your issue with not having a good vmware image to work with, have 
you tried vinux?
the author of it is the guy who is interested in helping me. vinux is 
designed to be accessible out of the box, it includes braille support, 
speech and magnification. the author provides several versions, a live cd 
version, a USB pen drive version and a vmware image.
I am hoping to meet with him next week to actually talk about how to put 
this accessible vmware image or images together for rockbox.
if you are interested, the url for vinux is
http://vinux.org.uk

I am not sure what packages should be included to get a build client 
accessible, which is what interests me, and then of course I would like some 
kind of separate system to compile rockbox with for my own personal use.

I am not sure if I was thinking of a script exactly to automate the process, 
I guess having some kind of gui would be quite nice as its more fun pressing 
buttons and selecting options than typing commands though I have a feeling 
it might be complex to put something together so perhaps command line is 
best. I guess also the commands should be quite similar to those used in 
cygwin.
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tracker | 3 Oct 2009 00:00
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Open patches in Rockbox

Flyspray contains 447 open patches:

0 days old: iPodNano2G R/W FTL (plus changes needed to make it run)
5 comments, 8 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10633

1 days old: Spiderbox (spider solitare) rework!
0 comments, 1 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10631

2 days old: Introduce bootloader and target files for new target Lyre Proto2
3 comments, 1 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10627

4 days old: Improved accessory support and detection for Ipod
5 comments, 5 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10623

5 days old: A (maybe to) simple fix for the unusable keymap on iriver introduced with r21034
2 comments, 3 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10621

7 days old: CowonD2 EQ Menu Buttons 
2 comments, 2 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10618

10 days old: Dynamic Range Compressor
2 comments, 3 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10612

16 days old:  ipodpatcher support for the 2nd generation ipod Nano
0 comments, 1 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10609

17 days old: Patch exposing pcmbuf_beep() to the Lua plugin
0 comments, 1 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10608

19 days old: Patch for stable playback for clip_v1
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tracker | 3 Oct 2009 00:00
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Open bugs in Rockbox

Flyspray contains 281 open bugs:

0 days old: Playback crashes on starting pitch detector plugin
0 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10635

0 days old: Pittch detector hangs rockbox
0 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10634

3 days old: Calendar off by a couple days, saving time increments date by 1
0 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10625

3 days old: Random freeze on Ipod video 5g - 30gb
7 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10624

4 days old: Remote hangs
0 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10622

5 days old: bubbles on c200
0 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10620

7 days old: %Cl and %C conditional viewport oddity
6 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10617

7 days old: Scrolling Lines Keep Displaying on gigabeat S
0 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10616

9 days old: Deleting files in USB mode can confuse resume playback/bookmark functionality.
5 comments, 0 files: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10614

9 days old: Battery Time Incorrect
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Hussein Patwa | 4 Oct 2009 02:13
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RE: building accessible vmware images to work with Rockbox.


> Hussein,
> 
> I also am seeing this as a possible good way to go for myself too.  I
> work
> in vmware but I am unable to get a desent ubuntu or Debian based system
> going.  I think what you are thinking about would be right up my alley.
> I
> would think that maybe that could be used for all images of Rockbox.
> In
> otherwords, in your script you could have switches for all the
> different
> types of devices Rockbox works with or it could say which device would
> you
> like to build?  What do you think?

Hi,  

Good to see there are others interested in this.  It would seem there are
several things needed to facilitate this:

1. A Linux system
2. An access system
3. The packages and dependencies needed to facilitate the Rockbox-related
processes
4. Any front-end interface

1 and 2 are pretty much covered by Alex's suggestion of a pre-configured
accessible distribution.  For 3, I believe documents must be available
either on the Rockbox site or in the mail archives, as there have been posts
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Hussein Patwa | 4 Oct 2009 02:17
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RE: building accessible vmware images to work with Rockbox.


> Hi. I realise this is going slightly off topic, but just as a side note
> regarding your issue with not having a good vmware image to work with,
> have
> you tried vinux?
> the author of it is the guy who is interested in helping me. vinux is
> designed to be accessible out of the box, it includes braille support,
> speech and magnification. the author provides several versions, a live
> cd
> version, a USB pen drive version and a vmware image.
> I am hoping to meet with him next week to actually talk about how to
> put
> this accessible vmware image or images together for rockbox.
> if you are interested, the url for vinux is
> http://vinux.org.uk
> 
> I am not sure what packages should be included to get a build client
> accessible, which is what interests me, and then of course I would like
> some
> kind of separate system to compile rockbox with for my own personal
> use.
> 
> I am not sure if I was thinking of a script exactly to automate the
> process,
> I guess having some kind of gui would be quite nice as its more fun
> pressing
> buttons and selecting options than typing commands though I have a
> feeling
> it might be complex to put something together so perhaps command line
> is
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