of course the domain is of no use unless someone can fix the dns, but do
we want to let it expire and risk it getting picked up by squatters, or
do we want to try to get axel to transfer the domain so that someone
else can manage it?

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Martin Bähr <mbaehr-J82dVEKiPgVsIEQYbtjsvAz+j0EOk7FR@public.gmane.org.at> wrote:

of course the domain is of no use unless someone can fix the dns, but do
we want to let it expire and risk it getting picked up by squatters, or
do we want to try to get axel to transfer the domain so that someone
else can manage it?

Is that really a question? :D


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On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 14:52 +0100, Korek wrote:
> tty_tickets were causing the problem!
>
> Turned them off. Dunno what tty_tickets are exactly for, but it works
> fine now.
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598567

I had also been having that problem (on Gentoo) for a couple months now.
Thank you for figuring it out and posting the link!

-Terrence

> Thx
>
> On 03/08/2011 02:41 PM, Korek wrote:
> > Ok, a little more light into this:
> >
> > It does work both on LMDE and Debian Sqeeze (fresh install) in
> > console.
> > It does not work under gnome. (both systems)  ..now, It seems to be
> > a serious problem.
> >
> > test <at> debian:~$ sudo ls
> > [sudo] password for test:
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian:~$ sudo ls
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian:~$ fish
> > Welcome to fish, the friendly interactive shell
> > Type help for instructions on how to use fish
> > test <at> debian ~> sudo ls
> > [sudo] password for test:
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian ~> sudo ls
> > [sudo] password for test:
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian ~>
> >
> >
> > On 03/08/2011 12:55 PM, Korek wrote:
> > > I'm using Linux Mint DE  (based on Debian)  ... tried to boot from
> > > LiveDVD - it's the same.
> > > Tried to install Debian Squeeze in Virtualbox - it works.
> > >
> > > So there's something wrong with Mint. I've posted the question
> > > into Mint forums.
> > >
> > > Just for the record:
> > > http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=67878&start=0
> > >
> > > Z
> > >
> > > On 03/07/2011 11:31 PM, Jan Kanis wrote:
> > > > Check that fish and bash are both actually calling the sudo
> > > > command directly, i.e. that there are not any functions/aliases
> > > > for sudo. If both are calling the command directly, my guess is
> > > > that it must be something with environment variables. See if
> > > > there are any exported ones in bash/fish that look relevant,
> > > > else try duplicating the entire environment that one shell uses
> > > > to the other when calling sudo. AFAIK these are the only real
> > > > ways in which the specific shell could influence how a command
> > > > executes.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:38, Korek <korekvin-9Vj9tDbzfuSlVyrhU4qvOw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > >         "z"  - that's my username
> > > >
> > > >         echo $USER
> > > >         z
> > > >
> > > >         Thanks
> > > >
> > > >         On 03/07/2011 06:45 PM, Stestagg wrote:
> > > >         > what is the value of the $USER environment variable in
> > > >         your fish shell?
> > > >         >
> > > >         > Thanks
> > > >         >
> > > >         > Steve
> > > >         > (ps. sorry for the initial reply, pressed wrong
> > > >         button)
> > > >         >
> > > >         > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, David
> > > >         Frascone<dave-DUt9ndXQmdRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
> > > >         >> Same here -- works for me.  And, iirc, it has always
> > > >         worked correctly for
> > > >         >> me. :)
> > > >         >> Try the current version(s).
> > > >         >> -Dave
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Myrddin
> > > >         Emrys<myrddin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
> > > >         >>> I have to say that this has not been my experience.
> > > >         I am not using the
> > > >         >>> latest fish however; I'm using the default version
> > > >         in the Ubunto repository.
> > > >         >>> I have had no problems using sudo; it properly
> > > >         remembers and uses my
> > > >         >>> password timeout.
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 09:58,
> > > >         Korek<korekvin-9Vj9tDbzfuSlVyrhU4qvOw@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
> > > >         >>>> Hello, I have a problem with sudo vs fish
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> when I use sudo, it asks me to enter password
> > > >         repeatedly, even thou I
> > > >         >>>> have sudo timeout set to 15 minutes.
> > > >         >>>> sudo works correctly under bash
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> look at the following example:
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  ls
> > > >         >>>> a/  b/
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> [sudo] password for z:
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> [sudo] password for z:
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  bash
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /tmp/zTemp $ sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> [sudo] password for z:
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /tmp/zTemp $ sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> fish, version 1.23.1
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> Any clues?
> > > >         >>>> thx
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         >>>> What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN
> > > >         Hurt You
> > > >         >>>> This paper provides an overview of data
> > > >         connectivity, details
> > > >         >>>> its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         >>>> solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >         >>>> Fish-users mailing list
> > > >         >>>> Fish-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         >>> What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt
> > > >         You
> > > >         >>> This paper provides an overview of data
> > > >         connectivity, details
> > > >         >>> its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         >>> solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         >>> _______________________________________________
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> > > >         >>>
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> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >>
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         >> What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt
> > > >         You
> > > >         >> This paper provides an overview of data connectivity,
> > > >         details
> > > >         >> its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         >> solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         >> _______________________________________________
> > > >         >> Fish-users mailing list
> > > >         >> Fish-users-5NWGOfrQmncRDUWM+popnw@public.gmane.orgforge.net
> > > >         >>
> > > >         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         > What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt
> > > >         You
> > > >         > This paper provides an overview of data connectivity,
> > > >         details
> > > >         > its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         > solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You
> > > >         This paper provides an overview of data connectivity,
> > > >         details
> > > >         its effect on application quality, and explores various
> > > >         alternative
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After upgrading to ubuntu 11.04, (with sudo 1.7.4) I now have this same problem. Disabling tty_tickets solves it, but that is only a workaround since that is a security feature that is disabled. On another ubuntu 10.04 install with sudo 1.7.2 this problem does not exist. On 11.04 with bash it's not a problem. Conclusion: there is a bug in the way fish and sudo interact. Anyone has any idea how this could happen?

Jan

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 06:11, Terrence Cole <list-sink <at> trainedmonkeystudios.org> wrote:

On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 14:52 +0100, Korek wrote:
> tty_tickets were causing the problem!
>
> Turned them off. Dunno what tty_tickets are exactly for, but it works
> fine now.
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598567

I had also been having that problem (on Gentoo) for a couple months now.
Thank you for figuring it out and posting the link!

-Terrence

> Thx
>
> On 03/08/2011 02:41 PM, Korek wrote:
> > Ok, a little more light into this:
> >
> > It does work both on LMDE and Debian Sqeeze (fresh install) in
> > console.
> > It does not work under gnome. (both systems)  ..now, It seems to be
> > a serious problem.
> >
> > test <at> debian:~$ sudo ls
> > [sudo] password for test:
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian:~$ sudo ls
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian:~$ fish
> > Welcome to fish, the friendly interactive shell
> > Type help for instructions on how to use fish
> > test <at> debian ~> sudo ls
> > [sudo] password for test:
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian ~> sudo ls
> > [sudo] password for test:
> > Dokumenty  Hudba  Obrázky  Plocha  Stažené  Šablony  Veřejné  Videa
> > test <at> debian ~>
> >
> >
> > On 03/08/2011 12:55 PM, Korek wrote:
> > > I'm using Linux Mint DE  (based on Debian)  ... tried to boot from
> > > LiveDVD - it's the same.
> > > Tried to install Debian Squeeze in Virtualbox - it works.
> > >
> > > So there's something wrong with Mint. I've posted the question
> > > into Mint forums.
> > >
> > > Just for the record:
> > > http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=67878&start=0
> > >
> > > Z
> > >
> > > On 03/07/2011 11:31 PM, Jan Kanis wrote:
> > > > Check that fish and bash are both actually calling the sudo
> > > > command directly, i.e. that there are not any functions/aliases
> > > > for sudo. If both are calling the command directly, my guess is
> > > > that it must be something with environment variables. See if
> > > > there are any exported ones in bash/fish that look relevant,
> > > > else try duplicating the entire environment that one shell uses
> > > > to the other when calling sudo. AFAIK these are the only real
> > > > ways in which the specific shell could influence how a command
> > > > executes.
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:38, Korek <korekvin-9Vj9tDbzfuSlVyrhU4qvOw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > >         "z"  - that's my username
> > > >
> > > >         echo $USER
> > > >         z
> > > >
> > > >         Thanks
> > > >
> > > >         On 03/07/2011 06:45 PM, Stestagg wrote:
> > > >         > what is the value of the $USER environment variable in
> > > >         your fish shell?
> > > >         >
> > > >         > Thanks
> > > >         >
> > > >         > Steve
> > > >         > (ps. sorry for the initial reply, pressed wrong
> > > >         button)
> > > >         >
> > > >         > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:30 PM, David
> > > >         Frascone<dave-DUt9ndXQmdRWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
> > > >         >> Same here -- works for me.  And, iirc, it has always
> > > >         worked correctly for
> > > >         >> me. :)
> > > >         >> Try the current version(s).
> > > >         >> -Dave
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Myrddin
> > > >         Emrys<myrddin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
> > > >         >>> I have to say that this has not been my experience.
> > > >         I am not using the
> > > >         >>> latest fish however; I'm using the default version
> > > >         in the Ubunto repository.
> > > >         >>> I have had no problems using sudo; it properly
> > > >         remembers and uses my
> > > >         >>> password timeout.
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 09:58,
> > > >         Korek<korekvin-9Vj9tDbzfuSlVyrhU4qvOw@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
> > > >         >>>> Hello, I have a problem with sudo vs fish
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> when I use sudo, it asks me to enter password
> > > >         repeatedly, even thou I
> > > >         >>>> have sudo timeout set to 15 minutes.
> > > >         >>>> sudo works correctly under bash
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> look at the following example:
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  ls
> > > >         >>>> a/  b/
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> [sudo] password for z:
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> [sudo] password for z:
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /t/zTemp>  bash
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /tmp/zTemp $ sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> [sudo] password for z:
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>> z <at> pc /tmp/zTemp $ sudo ls
> > > >         >>>> a  b
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> fish, version 1.23.1
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>> Any clues?
> > > >         >>>> thx
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         >>>> What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN
> > > >         Hurt You
> > > >         >>>> This paper provides an overview of data
> > > >         connectivity, details
> > > >         >>>> its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         >>>> solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         >>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >         >>>> Fish-users mailing list
> > > >         >>>> Fish-users <at> lists.sourceforge.net
> > > >         >>>>
> > > >         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         >>> What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt
> > > >         You
> > > >         >>> This paper provides an overview of data
> > > >         connectivity, details
> > > >         >>> its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         >>> solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >         >>> Fish-users mailing list
> > > >         >>> Fish-users-5NWGOfrQmnc@public.gmane.orgurceforge.net
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
> > > >         >>>
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >>
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         >> What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt
> > > >         You
> > > >         >> This paper provides an overview of data connectivity,
> > > >         details
> > > >         >> its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         >> solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         >> _______________________________________________
> > > >         >> Fish-users mailing list
> > > >         >> Fish-users-5NWGOfrQmncRDUWM+popnw@public.gmane.orgforge.net
> > > >         >>
> > > >         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >>
> > > >         >
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         > What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt
> > > >         You
> > > >         > This paper provides an overview of data connectivity,
> > > >         details
> > > >         > its effect on application quality, and explores
> > > >         various alternative
> > > >         > solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         > _______________________________________________
> > > >         > Fish-users mailing list
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> > > >         >
> > > >         https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
> > > >         >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >         ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >         What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You
> > > >         This paper provides an overview of data connectivity,
> > > >         details
> > > >         its effect on application quality, and explores various
> > > >         alternative
> > > >         solutions. http://p.sf.net/sfu/progress-d2d
> > > >         _______________________________________________
> > > >         Fish-users mailing list
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