Mitchel Baum | 1 Dec 2011 16:56
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Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

Dave,

What a wonderful addition! the audio TX level on the "front page" is very useful as some modes do have different PEP values depending on the audio passband and the mode.
I wonder who thought that one up! Hats off to that OM!
Continue the EXCELLENT work on all the "FL" programs - the best of the lot!

Mitch Baum / AF2M






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Mitchel Baum | 1 Dec 2011 16:58
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Re: Adding a selection option to the QRZ menu?

I can support that nice option too - it would be a great feature!
Mitch Baum / AF2M

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On 11/29/2011 09:13 PM, w6dlf wrote:
> Is it possible to modify the configuration menu to be able to select both "QRZ online via default internet browser" and "Subscriber data: QRZ.com with ID and pwd"? This would allow the station data to be entered into the log form and also bring up the QRZ.com page for the station instead one or the other. It's often useful to see additonal info about a station when you are in QSO with them.
>
> Dave
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Yes I can make that change




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w1hkj | 1 Dec 2011 17:01
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Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

On 12/01/2011 09:56 AM, Mitchel Baum wrote:
> Dave,
>
> What a wonderful addition! the audio TX level on the "front page" is very useful as some modes do have
different PEP values depending on the audio passband and the mode.
> I wonder who thought that one up! Hats off to that OM!
Thanks ... me ... necessity is the mother of invention ... I got tired 
of having to open the configuration panel.
> Continue the EXCELLENT work on all the "FL" programs - the best of the lot!
I failed on trying to build the hamlib enabled fldigi on your system... 
I am rebuilding a 3.21.30 dmg that will have several additions.  I'll 
post it on the regular download page and let you know when it is 
available.  Just install over the current 3.21.20

Dave

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Brian Lloyd | 1 Dec 2011 17:06

Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted



On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:01 AM, w1hkj <w1hkj-uwgUiYJEXI4AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 

On 12/01/2011 09:56 AM, Mitchel Baum wrote:
> Dave,
>
> What a wonderful addition! the audio TX level on the "front page" is very useful as some modes do have different PEP values depending on the audio passband and the mode.
> I wonder who thought that one up! Hats off to that OM!
Thanks ... me ... necessity is the mother of invention ... I got tired
of having to open the configuration panel.

Since the signal is generated digitally and (I presume) the samples never reach saturation (clipping) then it shouldn't matter what the peak to average ratio is since the peak (the important thing to prevent clipping) remains the same (I presume -- it is how I would do it) with all modes. Therefore, once set properly you should never change it unless you change the mic gain settings on the radio. 

(Having switched to a Flex radio and PowerSDR it is nice not having to worry about this stuff because the metering is dead-on accurate and the controls are calibrated precisely in dB.)

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Ed | 1 Dec 2011 17:08
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Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:56:05 -0800 (PST)
Mitchel Baum <mitch.baum@...> wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> What a wonderful addition! the audio TX level on the "front page" is
> very useful as some modes do have different PEP values depending on
> the audio passband and the mode. I wonder who thought that one up!
> Hats off to that OM! Continue the EXCELLENT work on all the "FL"
> programs - the best of the lot!
> 
> Mitch Baum / AF2M

I found the scroll wheel to be the easiest way to change values. My
Pegasus output varies from band to band and this make a nice addition.

Ed W3NR

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w1hkj | 1 Dec 2011 17:20
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Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

Since the signal is generated digitally and (I presume) the samples never
> reach saturation (clipping) then it shouldn't matter what the peak to
> average ratio is since the peak (the important thing to prevent clipping)
> remains the same (I presume -- it is how I would do it) with all modes.
> Therefore, once set properly you should never change it unless you change
> the mic gain settings on the radio.
>
> (Having switched to a Flex radio and PowerSDR it is nice not having to
> worry about this stuff because the metering is dead-on accurate and the
> controls are calibrated precisely in dB.)
>
Brian,

For a moment imagine that you are still using a radio with crystal (or 
worse mechanical) filters.  The apparent gain over the passband of the 
filter can vary by several dB and not seriously effect the voice 
quality.  It is a killer for controlling digital modes.  The Tx-level 
(really an attenuator) control provides a fine tuning of the transmit 
signal level to maintain minimal ALC action and therefore best signal 
quality.

Dave

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Brian Lloyd | 1 Dec 2011 17:39

Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:20 AM, w1hkj <w1hkj-uwgUiYJEXI4AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

For a moment imagine that you are still using a radio with crystal (or
worse mechanical) filters. The apparent gain over the passband of the
filter can vary by several dB and not seriously effect the voice
quality. It is a killer for controlling digital modes. The Tx-level
(really an attenuator) control provides a fine tuning of the transmit
signal level to maintain minimal ALC action and therefore best signal
quality.

Minimal ALC action only measures what is happening at the output of the PA, not at the intermediate stages. Is there always sufficient headroom in all the lower stages that PA compression (ALC inflection point) is always the limiting factor? (I should know all this stuff. I have been doing it for 35 years.) It is certainly the likely case with older tube gear but not sure with solid state. I had problems in packet radio with overdriving the first-stage as the gain control would come after the first stage.

Yes, I have become spoiled by knowing what every stage of my transmitter is doing and having precise measurements and adjustments. To date for me, just setting fldigi to a gain of 1.0 and my TX signal input gain to -1dB has been sufficient. I then control the output with the drive control between 0.79W and 79W (-1dB from 100W). I set the input down by 1dB to reduce the chance of driving the PA into compression. 


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w1hkj | 1 Dec 2011 17:57
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Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

On 12/01/2011 10:39 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:20 AM, w1hkj<w1hkj@...>  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> For a moment imagine that you are still using a radio with crystal (or
>> worse mechanical) filters. The apparent gain over the passband of the
>> filter can vary by several dB and not seriously effect the voice
>> quality. It is a killer for controlling digital modes. The Tx-level
>> (really an attenuator) control provides a fine tuning of the transmit
>> signal level to maintain minimal ALC action and therefore best signal
>> quality.
>>
> Minimal ALC action only measures what is happening at the output of the PA,
> not at the intermediate stages. Is there always sufficient headroom in all
> the lower stages that PA compression (ALC inflection point) is always the
> limiting factor? (I should know all this stuff. I have been doing it for 35
> years.) It is certainly the likely case with older tube gear but not sure
> with solid state. I had problems in packet radio with overdriving the
> first-stage as the gain control would come after the first stage.
The problem is not indigenous to tube transmitters.  Well designed 
transmitters have sufficient audio and IF dynamic range to avoid signal 
distortion due to compression.  It is the driver/final stages that cause 
problems with digital signals.  Older rigs do not provide the variable 
output drive as your flex does.  Most of the newer transceivers do 
provide a similar control.  Even my 11 year old Kachina 505DSP has that 
type of control, as does both of my TenTec transceivers.  They still 
have ALC indicators that need to be observed.  All of my transceivers 
have DSP implemented IF filtering and are very flat across the 
passband.  They do differ however in the amount of drive needed over the 
range of 3.5 to 50 MHz.

Dave

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Mitchel Baum | 1 Dec 2011 19:18
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Re: fldigi-3.21.30 posted

Gents,

These discussions are all well though out and each brings up valid points.
No matter how you chose to implement the transmit audio to RF function,
the whole point is that Dave though enough to bring a frequently adjusted
control to the front panel so we would not have to constantly flip through the
configure menus.

Dave is an expert at minimalist GUI's with maximal function. Just one look at
the HRD/DM780 GUI will convince you!

However you accomplish setting the audio to RF, being able to configure the audio drive conveniently
is a benefit. For me, remembering to turn off the audio processor when switching 
from SSB to digital is my biggest problem! Unfortunately there is no button for that
within fldigi (YET if Dave has anything to say !).

Let's enjoy some of the best digital mode softwar e available anywhere!

Mitch Baum / AF2M

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On 12/01/2011 10:39 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:20 AM, w1hkj<w1hkj-uwgUiYJEXI4AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> For a moment imagine that you are still using a radio with crystal (or
>> worse mechanical) filters. The apparent gain over the passband of the
>> filter can vary by several dB and not seriously effect the voice
>> quality. It is a killer for controlling digital modes. The Tx-level
>> (really an attenuator) control provides a fine tuning of the transmit
>> signal level to maintain minimal ALC action and therefore best signal
>> quality.
>>
> Minimal ALC action only measures what is happening at the output of the PA,
> not at the intermediate stages. Is there always sufficient headroom in all
> the lower stages that PA compression (ALC inflection point) is always the
> limiting factor? (I should know all this stuff. I have been doing it for 35
> years.) It is certainly the likely case with older tube gear but not sure
> with solid state. I had problems in packet radio with overdriving the
> first-stage as the gain control would come after the first stage.
The problem is not indigenous to tube transmitters. Well designed
transmitters have sufficient audio and IF dynamic range to avoid signal
distortion due to compression. It is the driver/final stages that cause
problems with digital signals. Older rigs do not provide the variable
output drive as your flex does. Most of the newer transceivers do
provide a similar control. Even my 11 year old Kachina 505DSP has that
type of control, as does both of my TenTec transceivers. They still
have ALC indicators that need to be observed. All of my transceivers
have DSP implemented IF filtering and are very flat across the
passband. They do differ however in the amount of drive needed over the
range of 3.5 to 50 MHz.

Dave




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Bob Goodwin | 1 Dec 2011 19:47

Serial port ptt problem -

        I have two computers, both Fedora 15 with FLDigi 3.21.11
        installed via yum.

        One works perfectly the other never toggles RTS/DTR when fldigi
        is "transmitting." However if I run minicom and "initialize"
        those signals toggle from -9 to + 7 vdc. I would like to have
        both working before I upgrade one to F-16.

        So I am looking for some help troubleshooting this problem.
        That's about all I know about the at this time other than a few
        checks I've made.

            [root <at> box9 bobg]# setserial -g /dev/ttyS[0123]
            /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
            /dev/ttyS1, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02f8, IRQ: 3
            /dev/ttyS2, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03e8, IRQ: 4
            /dev/ttyS3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3

            [root <at> box9 bobg]# dmesg | grep tty
            [    0.000000] console [tty0] enabled
            [    0.726331] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a
            16550A
            [    0.756861] 00:08: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A

        Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.

        Bob    w2bod    Zuni, Virginia

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