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[ pyxml-Bugs-749284 ] CatalogManager can't resolve system ids

Bugs item #749284, was opened at 2003-06-04 22:23
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Category: None
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Andrew Langmead (langmead)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: CatalogManager can't resolve system ids

Initial Comment:
If you pass a system id, but no public id to  to resolve_sysid 
you get back None.

I believe the resolve_sysid function of xml/parsers/xmlproc/
catalog.py is 
missing a return statement on the  final line (the "pubid== 
None" case.)

Attached is a file catbug.py that demonstrates the problem 
and a patch named catalog.patch that resolves it.

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Torsten Rueger | 5 Jun 09:35 2003
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PyXML + 4Suite compatibility

Newbie question:

I have 4Suite installed and am using the xml + xpath packages.

If I install PyXML, will 4suite still work ?

Will PyXML, specifically the xpath stuff work ?

PS: I don't want to use both at the same time. Just trying to evaluate 
which one to use.

Can anyone share some experiences about the difference ?

Thanks
   Torsten

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Gisbert Amm | 5 Jun 09:41 2003
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RE: PyXML + 4Suite compatibility

Have a look at

http://4suite.org/docs/howto/UNIX.xml#PyXML

Regards,
Gisbert Amm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Torsten Rueger [mailto:torsten.rueger <at> hiit.fi]
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:36 AM
> To: xml-sig <at> python.org
> Subject: [XML-SIG] PyXML + 4Suite compatibility
> 
> 
> Newbie question:
> 
> I have 4Suite installed and am using the xml + xpath packages.
> 
> If I install PyXML, will 4suite still work ?
> 
> Will PyXML, specifically the xpath stuff work ?
> 
> PS: I don't want to use both at the same time. Just trying to 
> evaluate 
> which one to use.
> 
> Can anyone share some experiences about the difference ?
> 
> Thanks
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Torsten Rueger | 5 Jun 09:58 2003
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Re: PyXML + 4Suite compatibility


On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 10:41 Europe/Helsinki, Gisbert Amm wrote:

> Have a look at
>
> http://4suite.org/docs/howto/UNIX.xml#PyXML
>
>

Thanks. I did, but it doesn't really answer the question (for me)

The PyXML README says :
If you want to use PyXML's experimental XSLT package, you need to pass
--with-xslt to setup.py.  If you also want to install FourThought's
4Suite package, you should not install the XSLT package and also avoid
the XPath package, so you can use the one from 4Suite.  This can be
done by using the command line option --without-xpath.

That suggests some incompatibilities to me, but I don't know how or 
what.

Torsten

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Gisbert Amm | 5 Jun 10:28 2003
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RE: PyXML + 4Suite compatibility


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Torsten Rueger [mailto:torsten.rueger <at> hiit.fi]
>
> On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 10:41 Europe/Helsinki, Gisbert Amm wrote:
> 
> > Have a look at
> >
> > http://4suite.org/docs/howto/UNIX.xml#PyXML
> >
> >
> 
> Thanks. I did, but it doesn't really answer the question (for me)
> 
> The PyXML README says :
> If you want to use PyXML's experimental XSLT package, you need to pass
> --with-xslt to setup.py.  If you also want to install FourThought's
> 4Suite package, you should not install the XSLT package and also avoid
> the XPath package, so you can use the one from 4Suite.  This can be
> done by using the command line option --without-xpath.
> 
> 
> That suggests some incompatibilities to me, but I don't know how or 
> what.
> 
Sorry, I cannot help with real experience. But on
http://uche.ogbuji.net/uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/choosing-
software I found this: 

"PyXML also provides an older version of the XPath and XSLT implementation
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Michael Olson | 5 Jun 14:48 2003

Re: PyXML + 4Suite compatibility


On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 01:35 AM, Torsten Rueger wrote:

> Newbie question:
>
> I have 4Suite installed and am using the xml + xpath packages.
>
> If I install PyXML, will 4suite still work ?
>

Yes.  4Suite is designed to work with PyXML.  Infact you need 4Suite  
installed to perform validation.

> Will PyXML, specifically the xpath stuff work ?
>

The xpath implementation that ships with PyXML is out of date.  We will  
be resynching it shortly, but for now you will want to use Ft.Xml.XPath

> PS: I don't want to use both at the same time. Just trying to evaluate  
> which one to use.
>
> Can anyone share some experiences about the difference ?
>

They are both from the same code base.  xml.xpath was copied from  
4Suite over a year a go and I don't think anyone has had the time to  
update it since then.

Hope that helps
Mike

> Thanks
>   Torsten
>
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[ pyxml-Bugs-750437 ] can't create catalog entry for pathless system identifier

Bugs item #750437, was opened at 2003-06-07 00:00
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Category: None
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Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Andrew Langmead (langmead)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: can't create catalog entry for pathless system identifier

Initial Comment:
When the a catalog is processed with the SYSTEM keyword 
to associcate a storage object identifier with a system 
identifier, both are converted into full filesystem paths 
based on a location of the catalog file, or any BASE entry 
found. 

This means that you can't create a catalog entry like:

SYSTEM html.dtd /usr/share/sgml/catalog/html.dtd

because the system identifier "html.dtd" will be converted 
to a full path, and then be missed in the search if
the DTD entry says:

 <!DOCTYPE html SYSTEM "html.dtd">

The way to handle this that fixes my case is to not turn the 
initial system identifier in the catalog command into a full 
path before storing it the catalog. If it is left relative and 
pathless, it will be found in the search. I can understand if 
this solution doesn't work for other situations. 

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Uche Ogbuji | 7 Jun 07:48 2003

Re: XSLT sorting by "authors" element, with multiple authors

> On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 09:42:19PM -0400, Thomas B. Passin wrote:
> > 
> > [Jon Berry]
> > >...
> > > In initial searches, it looked like the   xsl:for-each-group
> > > and/or xsl:function constructs might help, but they don't seem
> > > to be supported by the current PyXML/4Suite implementations.
> > >
> > > So, with the constraint that I'm trying to avoid buying a book for now,
> > > is this doable using templates, easy, and currently implementable
> > > with free software?
> > >
> > 
> > Best to go to the Mulberry xslt list with xslt questions!  The two
> > instructions you mention are not in xslt1.0 but rather in the draft xslt2.0.
> > It seems unlikely that the 4Thought people will ever have much interest in
> > getting 4xslt conformant with xslt2.0, so you need another approach.
> 
> Why is this? 

Because XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0 are irredeemable crap.  I've made this argument 
in more detail so much recently that I'm tired of the whole discussion.  For a 
flavor, see [1] [2] .  As I can squeeze out time, I prefer to spend my time on 
working on a more sane set of alternatives [3].

There are a *lot* of folks, users and implementors who have also sworn to have 
nothing to do with W3C XPath 2.0 and XSLT 2.0.

[1] http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=6965
[2] http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=7620
[3] http://lists.fourthought.com/mailman/listinfo/xpath-ng

"I was among the earliest implementors of XPath and XSLT. I thought, and still 
think that they were remarkably well-conceived languages. XPath and XSLT 2.0 
are ruined by excess, and I'd be surprised if they supplant the 1.0 versions 
any time soon, as they are."
  --me on the xml-dev mailing list, Sat, 06 Jul 2002 

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