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Armin Rigo | 1 Jan 2006 13:48
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Re: Thread/gil/java question

Hi,

On Fri, Dec 30, 2005 at 12:47:38AM +0100, Christian Tismer wrote:
> you already got a very good answer, since you happened to hit
> the former maintainer of Jython.

Christian's answer is a bit too harsh IMHO.  I don't think we should try
to keep open discussions off pypy-dev, at least as long as they don't
become long threads where every answer is just uninformed guesses and
wild speculations building on each other.  I don't see pypy-dev in
danger of becoming that at the moment.

> >Thank you for the quick response.  Let me get this straight:  If I use
> >Jython instead of CPython, then my Python threads can migrate to
> >different CPUs?

Yes.

> >Not sure what you meant by "... granularity is such that not much could
> >be assumed for user programs..."--could you clarify that a bit?

In CPython, if say 'd' is a dict, then 'd.setdefault(x,y)' is atomic, so
the result cannot be messed up by another thread accessing 'd' at the
same time.  In Java you don't have complex operations, so you (or a Java
library) would have to write code like:

  if (d.hasKey(x)) {
    return d.get(x);
  }
  else {
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Armin Rigo | 2 Jan 2006 13:01
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Chalmers Winter Meeting paper

Hi all,

For the Winter Meeting of the Chalmers technical university of
Gothenburg, I've taken the architecture.txt document again, copied from
its CCC version.  I'll submit it tomorrow.  It's checked in in
http://codespeak.net/svn/pypy/extradoc/talk/chalmers .

I had to decide how to attribute authors properly, which of course is
not a trivial task.  I've settled for putting only my own name under the
title (as the presenter of the paper), with a footnote that lists all
svn authors that have done non-trivial changes to architecture.txt.  It
sounds more reasonable than listing all the authors directly under the
title -- that would take half the first page!  Does this sound
acceptable to everybody?

A bientot,

Armin
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Carl Friedrich Bolz | 2 Jan 2006 17:19
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Re: Chalmers Winter Meeting paper

Hi Armin!

Armin Rigo wrote:
> I had to decide how to attribute authors properly, which of course is
> not a trivial task.  I've settled for putting only my own name under the
> title (as the presenter of the paper), with a footnote that lists all
> svn authors that have done non-trivial changes to architecture.txt.  It
> sounds more reasonable than listing all the authors directly under the
> title -- that would take half the first page!  Does this sound
> acceptable to everybody?

Makes sense to me (and it basically follows what we did with the CCC paper).

Happy new year!

Carl Friedrich
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holger krekel | 2 Jan 2006 17:25
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Re: Chalmers Winter Meeting paper

Hi Armin, hi Carl, 

On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 17:19 +0100, Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote:
> Armin Rigo wrote:
> > I had to decide how to attribute authors properly, which of course is
> > not a trivial task.  I've settled for putting only my own name under the
> > title (as the presenter of the paper), with a footnote that lists all
> > svn authors that have done non-trivial changes to architecture.txt.  It
> > sounds more reasonable than listing all the authors directly under the
> > title -- that would take half the first page!  Does this sound
> > acceptable to everybody?
> 
> Makes sense to me (and it basically follows what we did with the CCC paper).

same here.  

> Happy new year!

happy new year! 

    holger
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Carl Friedrich Bolz | 3 Jan 2006 17:12
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pypy and the singularity

Hi all!

Sorry, just had to post this:

Hans Nowak wrote on comp.lang.python:
> Robert Kern wrote:
>> PyPy will not bring about the Singularity.

> But if it did, imagine how cool that would look on the developers
> resumes... :-)

:-)

Cheers,

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Eric van Riet Paap | 4 Jan 2006 14:29
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pypy-sync announcement

Hello,

For tomorrow's #pypy-sync meeting at the regular time of 1PM we need  
someone to moderate. I will probably not be able to do it this time.  
Who wants to volunteer?

cheers
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Samuele Pedroni | 4 Jan 2006 14:38
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Re: pypy-sync announcement

Eric van Riet Paap wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> For tomorrow's #pypy-sync meeting at the regular time of 1PM we need  
> someone to moderate. I will probably not be able to do it this time.  
> Who wants to volunteer?
> 

I can do it.
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holger krekel | 4 Jan 2006 20:47
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impressions from CCC congress last week

Hey there, 

here are some impressions from the Chaos Communication
Congress in Berlin end last year (a few days ago).  It 
again was a rather wild session of some 3000 hackers from 
various areas ... with higher broadband connectivity than 
the whole of Africa (10 Gbit) i heart.  Only 1Gbit was 
actually used, though, including free VOIP-phoning to
all of germany. 

This year i didn't attend so many talks also because they
regularly lasted 1 hour - usually too much - but hardly enough
for our current PyPy talks :)  Carl and me had some 350
listeners. It was a rather concentrated and nice atmosphere -
despite our JIT preparation style.  We had one guy from the
Dylan group (Andreas Bogk) who involved Carl and me in a
number of discussions where i wished that Samuele had 
been there :)  The other talk about "EU-funding, Open Source 
and Agility" with Bea went very well and also brought some new
contacts, among them a press guy who wants to report about
PyPy on a suitable occassion.  There apparently was some
article about PyPy in a Linux magazine in November or
December, btw, somebody told me.  

The two PyPy talks were filmed and we can probably provide mpeg's 
somewhere if there is interest.  Also the 22C3 organisers 
themselves want to provide films+sounds from many talks, i think. 

What else?  For example, "How to get a free parking license 
for Europe including all areas nobody is usually allowed to
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Carl Friedrich Bolz | 5 Jan 2006 23:55
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EU reports

Hi PyPy-dev!

I just checked in a new doc page containing short descriptions and links 
of/to the preliminary EU reports. The page is at:

http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/index-report.html

These reports (for all the people that did not help prepare them :-) ) 
contain big parts of our documentation but also quite a lot of new 
interesting content that supplements the regular Python documentation.

Also: should I add a news item to make the reports more visible than 
just the links to it in the documentation index page?

Cheers,

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Samuele Pedroni | 6 Jan 2006 00:03
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Re: EU reports

Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote:
> Hi PyPy-dev!
> 
> I just checked in a new doc page containing short descriptions and links 
> of/to the preliminary EU reports. The page is at:
> 
> http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/index-report.html
> 
> These reports (for all the people that did not help prepare them :-) ) 
> contain big parts of our documentation but also quite a lot of new 
> interesting content that supplements the regular Python documentation.

s/the regular Python/the regular PyPy

> 
> Also: should I add a news item to make the reports more visible than 
> just the links to it in the documentation index page?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Carl Friedrich
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