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theGREENzebra | 1 Mar 2003 02:21

Re: [pygame] audio: interactive music systems?

>>>Pygame's sound stuff is geared for exactly that, games. Though iMuse and 
>>>other stuff with realtime mixing and games controlling sound was a really 
>>>cool thing, most games require background music and sound effects.

Insert an "only simple" between require and background.

> I am asking purely for game use - I think you misunderstood... typically
> canned background music is used in most games - rather than it being
> based around multiple game variables influencing and dictating what is
> played and how its played - making it more connected to the current
> emotional feel of the game... with interactive music - you have samples
> say of an orchestra and based on some predefined composition patterns
> these can be mixed at runtime based on current game status / game variables
> so music never sounds looped or un-connected to the current game state...

Actually, that's *exactly* what iMuse does, which is why I used it as an 
example =]

> Did you create a composition/sequencing application using pygame?
> (cool if you did!)

No, mainly my game just requires everything to be synchronised to the music. 
I am working on a second game that will play samples when you press the 
buttons to the music to make more music, but again, it won't involve 
multiple frequencies or anything without having multiple samples.

> Based on your answers - it seems like extending to the DirectAudio api
> would be an interesting idea - maybe someone has begun undertaking it??

The only problem with this is that you're leaving anyone that doesn't use
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Tom Chance | 2 Mar 2003 15:05
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[pygame] Pygame tutorial

I have written a new Pygame tutorial. It assumes you've completed the Line by 
Line Chimp tutorial, and takes the user on to see how to make a fuller game, 
including some diversionf on topics like vector physics.

Could somebody please check it over for mistakes? If everyone's happy with it, 
it'd be nice to link to it from the Pygame web site in the docs section.

http://www.tomchance.uklinux.net/pygame/

Cheers,
Tom
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Tom Chance | 4 Mar 2003 16:02
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Re: [pygame] Why do we do this?

> It however is a bit unfortunate that games are so complex creatures. Too
> many taht start out with programming try to do a new MMORPG or the Best
> FPS Game Ever(tm), and in 100% of the cases the project will fail, leaving
> the guys and girls disillusioned and bitter.
>
> Doing a normal non-game console app is often a much better way to start
> out with programming.

That's a good point. It's easy to forget how much you know, and there's an 
awful lot of knowledge about programming and games in general, and Python and 
Pygame in particular, that you need to know even to make a relatively simple 
game.

As for why I decided to make a game wiht Pygame, I wanted to learn Python, and 
reading through the O'Reilly books was about as dull as it gets - I wanted to 
do something that I couldn't already do better in Perl, and Pygame seemed 
like a good thing to learn. I'm not that bothered wiht actually making any 
big games, I just like mucking about once in a while :)

Tom
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Joshua Miller | 13 Mar 2003 03:27

[pygame] Dependency Problems on RH Linux 8.0

Hi, I've been having a problem installing Pygame on my Redhat Linux 8.0 
machine. I have Python 2.2.1 installed, and I have also installed all of the 
Pygame dependencies (SDL, SDL_image, SDL_ttf, SDL_mixer, SMPEG, and Numeric). 
However, when I go to actually install Pygame I receive several dependency 
errors:

    libSDL_ttf-1.2.so.0 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
    libaa.so.1 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
    libasound.so.1 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
    libpng.so.3 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
    libslang.so.1 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
    libvorbisfile.so0 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1

I have received these error messages with both the regular and development 
dependency packages. What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?

Thanks,
Joshua Miller
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Anthony Baxter | 13 Mar 2003 03:28
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Re: [pygame] Dependency Problems on RH Linux 8.0


>>> Joshua Miller wrote
> I have received these error messages with both the regular and development 
> dependency packages. What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?

I'd say the RPM was built on a different system. Try rebuilding the source
RPM (rpm -bb pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm)

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Joshua Miller | 13 Mar 2003 05:07

Re: [pygame] Dependency Problems on RH Linux 8.0

On Wednesday 12 March 2003 21:28, Anthony Baxter wrote:
> >>> Joshua Miller wrote
> >
> > I have received these error messages with both the regular and
> > development dependency packages. What is causing this problem and how can
> > I fix it?
>
> I'd say the RPM was built on a different system. Try rebuilding the source
> RPM (rpm -bb pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm)

Are you sure the first argument is '-bb'? When I run the command (rpm -bb 
pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm), I get an error saying that '-bb' is an unknown
option. Sorry, I've only been on Linux for about a month, I'm still learning.
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Anthony Baxter | 13 Mar 2003 05:08
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Re: [pygame] Dependency Problems on RH Linux 8.0


> > I'd say the RPM was built on a different system. Try rebuilding the source
> > RPM (rpm -bb pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm)
> 
> Are you sure the first argument is '-bb'? When I run the command (rpm -bb 
> pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm), I get an error saying that '-bb' is an unknown
> option. Sorry, I've only been on Linux for about a month, I'm still learning.

Ah. My bad. Try rpm --rebuild pygame-....src.rpm

If that doesn't work, let me know what version of linux you're on.
Check the RPM man page, see what it says.
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Damien Miller | 13 Mar 2003 05:15
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Re: [pygame] Dependency Problems on RH Linux 8.0

Anthony Baxter wrote:
> 
> I'd say the RPM was built on a different system. Try rebuilding the source
> RPM (rpm -bb pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm)
> 
> Are you sure the first argument is '-bb'? When I run the command (rpm -bb 
> pygame-1.5.5-1.src.rpm), I get an error saying that '-bb' is an unknown
> option. Sorry, I've only been on Linux for about a month, I'm still learning.
> 
> 
> Ah. My bad. Try rpm --rebuild pygame-....src.rpm
> 
> If that doesn't work, let me know what version of linux you're on.
> Check the RPM man page, see what it says.

On RH 8 you'll probably need "rpmbuild --rebuild xxx.src.rpm"

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Urmas Eero | 13 Mar 2003 14:07
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Re: [pygame] Dependency Problems on RH Linux 8.0

Hi,

if you got all those files, then just rpm -Uvh --nodeps pygame....rpm
it works on my system (rh8.0) :)

sammy

Joshua Miller wrote:
> Hi, I've been having a problem installing Pygame on my Redhat Linux 8.0 
> machine. I have Python 2.2.1 installed, and I have also installed all of the 
> Pygame dependencies (SDL, SDL_image, SDL_ttf, SDL_mixer, SMPEG, and Numeric). 
> However, when I go to actually install Pygame I receive several dependency 
> errors:
> 
>     libSDL_ttf-1.2.so.0 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
>     libaa.so.1 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
>     libasound.so.1 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
>     libpng.so.3 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
>     libslang.so.1 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
>     libvorbisfile.so0 is needed by pygame-1.5.5-1
> 
> I have received these error messages with both the regular and development 
> dependency packages. What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joshua Miller
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BONNET François | 13 Mar 2003 17:57
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[pygame] TR: Soya 3D on Windows 2k

> Hi,
> I"m looking for a windows binary version of Soya 3D ?
> (http://oomadness.tuxfamily.org/en/soya/index.html)
> 
> Any one tried to get this engine to run under Windows?
> Is there a way to use it with pygame ?
> Any help is appreciated
> Thanks
>  francois
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