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Ofer Weisglass | 7 May 2006 23:29

Plone based website for python.org.il

Hi all

I have new idea - upgrading python.org.il to Plone CMS baesd website.

Plone is an out-of-the-box ready content management system that is built
on the powerful and free Zope Application server. It requires minimal
effort to set up, is deeply flexible, and provides you with a system for
managing web content that is ideal for project groups, communities and
intranets.

Zope itself is written in Python, an easy-to-learn, widely-used and
supported Open Source programming language.

Few other python groups around the world already using Plone for the
group's website.

Plone has many ready products that can be used for the website and for
other projects.

3 Examples:
http://www.nyzope.org/
http://zpugdc.org/
http://trizpug.org/

I did basic design for the site -  just the information that now
python.org.il has.
http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pythonorgilhome5qi.jpg
http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pythonorgillinks8fb.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pythonorgilmailinglist3ds.jpg
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Amit Aronovitch | 9 May 2006 00:31
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Re: Plone based website for python.org.il

Hi,

 Thank you for your suggestions.

We had Michael Bernstein aboard last meeting (24/4), and he gave a
nice review of Zope, also mentioning Plone and demonstrating some
online site management.

 It all seems very nice, but unfortunately our current problem is
generating contents, not how to manage it.
With the little time I have, I barely manage to organize the meetings.
Shlomi created the original static contents you show in your demo, but
he's probably busy enough as it is with other FOSS related activity
(plus we all know he's really a perl-monger spy ;-) ).

 Apart from us there's a handful of others adding a few words on the
wiki here and there (mainly related to the meetings and subjects for
talks), I don't think any of them can spend enough time to redesign
the site (e.g. - I made
http://www.python.org.il/mediawiki/index.php/Python-IL_Logo_Contest ,
but only one other person posted a suggetion, and only Shlomi
expressed any opinion at all).

 Of course, if you volunteer to be our site manager, I'll be thrilled.
But please be advised that unless you come up with a new server to
host us, there's not much chance to install Plone or Zope on the
current one. The current host (eskimo.iglu.org.il) is a Pentium3
serving several FOSS sites and mailing lists, and is recently
suffering from memory problems (lately there was talk about buying
more memory - but most probably we'd still be far from the
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Ori Peleg | 9 May 2006 02:07
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Re: Plone based website for python.org.il

Did I miss the mailing-list announcement of the logo contest?

Amit Aronovitch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you for your suggestions.
> 
> We had Michael Bernstein aboard last meeting (24/4), and he gave a
> nice review of Zope, also mentioning Plone and demonstrating some
> online site management.
> 
> It all seems very nice, but unfortunately our current problem is
> generating contents, not how to manage it.
> With the little time I have, I barely manage to organize the meetings.
> Shlomi created the original static contents you show in your demo, but
> he's probably busy enough as it is with other FOSS related activity
> (plus we all know he's really a perl-monger spy ;-) ).
> 
> Apart from us there's a handful of others adding a few words on the
> wiki here and there (mainly related to the meetings and subjects for
> talks), I don't think any of them can spend enough time to redesign
> the site (e.g. - I made
> http://www.python.org.il/mediawiki/index.php/Python-IL_Logo_Contest ,
> but only one other person posted a suggetion, and only Shlomi
> expressed any opinion at all).
> 
> Of course, if you volunteer to be our site manager, I'll be thrilled.
> But please be advised that unless you come up with a new server to
> host us, there's not much chance to install Plone or Zope on the
> current one. The current host (eskimo.iglu.org.il) is a Pentium3
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Nir Soffer | 9 May 2006 08:11
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Ofer, it would be nice to have a shiny site based on zope, specially if 
you volunteer to build and maintain it on your own server. However, I 
don't know if zope is the best solution to our modest needs.

Lets talk first about our needs:

  * Some mostly static content about us
  * Some dynamic content about our events - usually the monthly meeting
  * An easy way to edit the content
  * Easy to join and contribute - login should be optional
  * Automatic spam protection, because we don't have time to clean our 
site
  * We may create some content about Python (e.g tutorials)
  * Complete Hebrew support
  * Good support for left to right section within right to left page 
(e.g include code in a hebrew page)

I think a simple wiki can serve us nicely.

On 08/05/2006, at 00:29, Ofer Weisglass wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I have new idea - upgrading python.org.il to Plone CMS baesd website.
>
> Plone is an out-of-the-box ready content management system that is 
> built
> on the powerful and free Zope Application server. It requires minimal
> effort to set up, is deeply flexible, and provides you with a system 
> for
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Roman Yakovenko | 9 May 2006 11:53
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On 5/9/06, Amit Aronovitch <aronovitch <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  It all seems very nice, but unfortunately our current problem is
> generating contents, not how to manage it.

Well, I know that there few open source projects maintained/created by
Israel developers.
May be python.org.il can contain references + small description to
those projects?
Thus it will promote the use of those projects in industry.

What do you think?

>    Regards,
>           Amit
>

--
Roman Yakovenko
C++ Python language binding
http://www.language-binding.net/
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David Siedband | 9 May 2006 12:57

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> Well, I know that there few open source projects maintained/created by
> Israel developers.
> May be python.org.il can contain references + small description to
> those projects?
> Thus it will promote the use of those projects in industry.

I think that the potential of this site is really its ability to help 
grow the community and that Roman's suggestions are pointing to this.  
This site can be much more than a place to post documentation.

It could include

   Directories of People
   Directories of Organizations/Companies
   Job Postings
   Community Calendar
   Listing of Projects
   Photo Gallery
   Archive of presentations and hand outs
   Tutorials
   Glossary
   RSS feeds of each section

A CMS is really needed to do these things well.

>> It all seems very nice, but unfortunately our current problem is
>> generating contents, not how to manage it.

Having content-types (like 'person', 'organization', 'project', etc.) 
also gives people ideas of things to add to the site.  When people see
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Roman Yakovenko | 9 May 2006 13:05
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On 5/9/06, David Siedband <david <at> generation-xml.com> wrote:
> > Well, I know that there few open source projects maintained/created by
> > Israel developers.
> > May be python.org.il can contain references + small description to
> > those projects?
> > Thus it will promote the use of those projects in industry.
>
> I think that the potential of this site is really its ability to help
> grow the community and that Roman's suggestions are pointing to this.
> This site can be much more than a place to post documentation.
>
> It could include
>
>    Directories of People
>    Directories of Organizations/Companies
>    Job Postings
>    Community Calendar
>    Listing of Projects
>    Photo Gallery
>    Archive of presentations and hand outs
>    Tutorials
>    Glossary
>    RSS feeds of each section

I definitely like this idea. Who want to be coordinator?

> A CMS is really needed to do these things well.
>
> >> It all seems very nice, but unfortunately our current problem is
> >> generating contents, not how to manage it.
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Nir Soffer | 9 May 2006 14:18
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On 09/05/2006, at 13:57, David Siedband wrote:

> I think that the potential of this site is really its ability to help 
> grow the community and that Roman's suggestions are pointing to this.  
> This site can be much more than a place to post documentation.
>
> It could include
>
>   Directories of People
>   Directories of Organizations/Companies
>   Job Postings
>   Community Calendar
>   Listing of Projects
>   Photo Gallery
>   Archive of presentations and hand outs
>   Tutorials
>   Glossary
>   RSS feeds of each section

Who will create and maintain all this?

The community currently hardly edit anything in the current wiki. Most 
of the activity in the wiki is spam and spam cleanup :-)

Best Regards,

Nir Soffer
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Ofer Weisglass | 9 May 2006 14:31

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People from the community can take care of it
it is just metter of will

It is all about how much people around here want the python community to
grow.

I don't think it is so much work to maintain it after the website is up
and running - it will be even easyer because there will be less spam -
Only people who have rights will be able to update the pages

>
> On 09/05/2006, at 13:57, David Siedband wrote:
>
>> I think that the potential of this site is really its ability to help
>> grow the community and that Roman's suggestions are pointing to this.
>> This site can be much more than a place to post documentation.
>>
>> It could include
>>
>>   Directories of People
>>   Directories of Organizations/Companies
>>   Job Postings
>>   Community Calendar
>>   Listing of Projects
>>   Photo Gallery
>>   Archive of presentations and hand outs
>>   Tutorials
>>   Glossary
>>   RSS feeds of each section
>
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Shlomi Fish | 9 May 2006 22:48
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On Monday 08 May 2006 00:29, Ofer Weisglass wrote:
> Hi all
> Plone has many ready products that can be used for the website and for
> other projects.
>
> 3 Examples:
> http://www.nyzope.org/
> http://zpugdc.org/
> http://trizpug.org/
>
> I did basic design for the site -  just the information that now
> python.org.il has.
> http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pythonorgilhome5qi.jpg
> http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pythonorgillinks8fb.jpg
> http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pythonorgilmailinglist3ds.jpg
>

Well as Amit mentioned, at the moment we cannot host such a site on 
iglu.org.il, due to lack of RAM. After we upgrade to more RAM, we can 
consider it.

In any case, I agree with people who said that at the moment, Plone would be 
an overkill for our site's needs. A Wiki+Some static or semi-static content 
is adequate enough, and there's no need to introduce the extra overhead and 
complexity of Plone.

One thing I'd like to see implemented in the current site is a pseudo-RSS feed 
for the events, like the one that Haifux, Telux, Perl-IL and the JLC are 
using. But this is done elsewhere in a few lines of Perl. (or we may use 
Python in our case - doesn't matter too much). Ofer, if you really want to
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