Re: Re: Scrum User Group Closes
2009-05-01 00:28:14 GMT
----- Original Message -----From: Cory FoySent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:47 AMSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] [scrumdevelopment] Re: Scrum User Group Closes
First, thank you for getting an official response. I appreciate someone from the SA coming forward to make a statement on this.
--- In scrumdevelopment <at> yahoogroups.com, "howardsublett"
> The Following is a message from Jim Cundiff, Managing Director at the Scrum Alliance:
> Registering our various trademarks is the best way for us to
> protect our intellectual properties (IP). The name Scrum User Group
> and the associated Scrum User Group logo are trademarks claimed by
> the Scrum Alliance.
Yes, we are aware of Intellectual Property discussions. But Scrum User Group being an "Intellectual Property"?
> We offer the use of these marks to organizations and groups of
> individuals who wish to be registered as a Scrum Alliance Scrum
> User Group.
What if you don't want to be listed as a SA Scrum User Group, but just as a Scrum User Group? Since you registered the trademarks (which I thought the document referred to as ServiceMarks) that's pretty clear.
I guess the bigger question is what happened to Individuals and Interactions over Processes and Tools? Are we supposed to believe we can change organizations and focus on the foundational principles from the manifesto when the very community groups are asked to sign legal documents?
> We were under the impression that the Orlando Scrum User Group
> desired to be listed as a Scrum Alliance Scrum User Group. As such
> this group would be entitled to the use of a localized Scrum
> Alliance Scrum User Group logo and all other rights and privileges
> associated with being a licensed and registered Scrum Alliance
> Scrum User Group.
Licensed Group? What's the licensing process? What would I as an attendee get out of a licensed group? Are we going to have Certified Scrum User Group Leader Certifications? Maybe Scrum Leader of User Group (SLUG)?
> This includes customized postings on our website, potential
> sponsorship funding for local events and featured speakers provided
> by the Scrum Alliance. Other Scrum User Groups have found these
> benefits to be of great value.
The problem isn't the support - it's the licensing agreement. I get the support of the Agile Alliance by being an AA member - not by having to sign licensing agreements and using "Trademarks".
> We have not requested the Orlando Scrum User Group cease operations
> nor do we intend to start another Scrum User Group in Orlando.
Darn good thing, because I'd be surprised if you'd get much community participation.
> Only that if the local Scrum User Group wishes to use our name and
> logo and be recognized as a Scrum Alliance Scrum User Group that a
> representative from the group sign a licensing agreement. There is
> no fee associated with this agreement, the Scrum Alliance does not > charge fees to local Scrum User Groups.
They are using neither your name nor your logo. Well, I guess now that you all are laying trademarks to 'Scrum User Group'.
> Do not let this licensing agreement hinder or stop you from meeting
> as an organized group of Scrum users. If you do not wish your local
> user group to be registered as a Scrum Alliance Scrum User Group
> then there is no need for you to sign a licensing agreement with
> the Scrum Alliance.
But, to call ourselves a "Scrum User Group" we have to have approval to use your "IP" by signing said agreement? And you don't think that won't hinder or stop people in this day and age?
These groups are run by volunteers pushing out support to the communities. To think that you all would do anything but bend over backwards to foster and support the people that put these groups together shows what I can only think of as arrogance or a lack of touch with the community.
Further, since according to the USPTO you only registered the Trademark on December 18th of 2008, I wonder how much claim you have to this. There have been groups around for years using "Scrum User Group" that has been just fine - groups listed on your own website.
I know this isn't the right forum, and I'm sorry for hijacking here. I can say that I've happily registered http://tampascrumusergroup.com and have no intention of signing any sort of a document, since I don't want to be listed on the site.
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