xtremesimplicity2003 | 1 Jan 2003 14:45

ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory add-in for VS.NET released

Xtreme Simplicity is very happy to announce the release of C# 
Refactory v1.01.

C# Refactory is fully integrated into the VS.NET IDE and supports 
the following refactorings...

    Extract Method
    Extract Superclass
    Extract Interface
    Copy Class
    Rename Type
    Rename Member
    Rename Parameter
    Rename Local Variable

...as well as calculating metrics at the solution, project, folder, 
unit and class levels.

We invite you to download an evaluation copy at:
http://www.xtreme-simplicity.net/Download.html

Best regards and a happy New Year, 
The Xtreme-Simplicity team.

http://www.xtreme-simplicity.net

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Martin Fowler | 1 Jan 2003 23:18

[Ann] Article on evolutionary database design

My colleague Pramod Sadalage and I have written an article on 
Evolutionary Database Design see: 
http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/evodb.html

"Over the last few years we've developed a number of techniques that 
allow a database design to evolve as an application develops. This is a 
very important capability for agile methodologies. The techniques rely 
on applying continuous integration and automated refactoring to database 
development, together with a close collaboration between DBAs and 
application developers. The techniques work in both pre-production and 
released systems."

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Sven Gorts | 2 Jan 2003 09:45
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Can we subscribe ? was: [Ann] Article on evolutionary database design

Hi, 

  In order to keep up with the welth of articles a
collegue of mine and I started a newsgroup which
focuses on collection articles regarding various
"agile" and object oriented topics. 

  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agilearticles/>

  Is it possible to subscribe our group at your
articles announcement list ? 

Kind Regards,
Sven  

--- Martin Fowler <mfowlerlists <at> thoughtworks.net>
wrote:
> My colleague Pramod Sadalage and I have written an
> article on 
> Evolutionary Database Design see: 
> http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/evodb.html
> 
> "Over the last few years we've developed a number of
> techniques that 
> allow a database design to evolve as an application
> develops. This is a 
> very important capability for agile methodologies.
> The techniques rely 
> on applying continuous integration and automated
> refactoring to database 
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RE: ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory add-in for VS.NET released

Thank you for alerting me to this product.  I haven't used VS.NET yet, and I
haven't wanted to.  While I could assuredly survive without automated
refactorings, I'd be very cranky doing so.  Yours is the second product to
attempt to fill the gaping hole that is the lack of refactoring support in
VS.NET (last I looked anyway).  Again, thanks for making the day I do use
VS.NET a brighter one that I feared it would be.

Craig

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xtremesimplicity2003 <yahoo <at> xtreme-simplicity.net> 
> [mailto:yahoo <at> xtreme-simplicity.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:45 AM
> To: refactoring <at> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [refactoring] ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory 
> add-in for VS.NET released
> 
> 
> Xtreme Simplicity is very happy to announce the release of C# 
> Refactory v1.01.
> 
> C# Refactory is fully integrated into the VS.NET IDE and supports 
> the following refactorings...
> 
>     Extract Method
>     Extract Superclass
>     Extract Interface
>     Copy Class
>     Rename Type
>     Rename Member
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Ron Jeffries | 2 Jan 2003 15:36
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Re: ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory add-in for VS.NET released

On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 9:09:03 AM, Demyanovich, Craig - Apogent wrote:

> Thank you for alerting me to this product.  I haven't used VS.NET yet, and I
> haven't wanted to.  While I could assuredly survive without automated
> refactorings, I'd be very cranky doing so.  Yours is the second product to
> attempt to fill the gaping hole that is the lack of refactoring support in
> VS.NET (last I looked anyway).  Again, thanks for making the day I do use
> VS.NET a brighter one that I feared it would be.

I hope that someone does a comparison of these two products. At the moment it's
not on my trajectory, but I'd sure like to have the info.

As for manual refactoring ... it changes the rhythm, but it's not the worst
thing that could happen.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
  -- Albert Einstein

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Dale Emery | 2 Jan 2003 23:22
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Re: ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory add-in for VS.NET released

Hi Ron,

> I hope that someone does a comparison of these two products.

For a start, the prices are identical!  ;-)

Dale

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Martin Fowler | 3 Jan 2003 01:29

Updated tools page

I've finally got chance to update the tools page at refactoring.com 
<http://www.refactoring.com/tools.html>. I've mentioned the two new C# 
tools. If anyone has anything else I should know about do let me know.

Martin

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Ron Jeffries | 3 Jan 2003 02:26
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Re: Re: ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory add-in for VS.NET released

On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 5:22:08 PM, Dale Emery <dale <at> dhemery.com> wrote:

>> I hope that someone does a comparison of these two products.

> For a start, the prices are identical!  ;-)

Good work, Dale, keep those details coming! ;->

Ron Jeffries
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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ac | 3 Jan 2003 03:18

Re: Re: ANN: Xtreme Simplicity C# Refactory add-in for VS.NET released

yeah good work dale
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On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 5:22:08 PM, Dale Emery <dale <at> dhemery.com> wrote:

>> I hope that someone does a comparison of these two products.

> For a start, the prices are identical!  ;-)

Good work, Dale, keep those details coming! ;->

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
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Scott Bellware | 6 Jan 2003 00:54
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Comparison of .NET Refactoring Tools

Refactoring Tools for .NET

Products
========
.NET Refactoring, www.dotnetrefactoring.com
C# Refactory, Xtreme Simplicity, www.xtreme-simplicity.net

Price
=====
.NET Refactoring: $110 USD
C# Refactory: $150 USD

Refactorings Supported
======================

.NET Refactoring
----------------
- Encapsulate Field 
- Extract Method 
- Inline Temp 
- Introduce Explaining Variable 
- Move Method 
- Rename Local Variable 
- Rename Field 
- Rename Method 
- Rename Parameter(Method) 
- Rename Indexer Parameter 
- Rename Property 
- Replace Magic Number with Symbolic Constant 
- Replace Temp with Query

C# Refactory
------------
- Extract Method  
- Extract Superclass  
- Extract Interface  
- Copy Class  
- Rename Type  
- Rename Member  
- Rename Parameter  
- Rename Local Variable

Metrics Supported
=================

.NET Refactoring
----------------
n/a

C# Refactory
------------
- Total lines of code
- Blank lines
- Number of executable statements
- Comment lines of code
- Comment percentage
- Average lines of code per method
- Average lines of code per class
- Number of projects
- Number of files
- Number of classes
- Number of top-level classes
- Cyclomatic complexity
- Total cyclomatic complexity

Qualitative
===========
Xtreme Simplicity has an edge over .NET Refactoring in the 
brand/image area.  The Xtreme-Simplicity website represents a bigger 
effort than the .NET Refactoring site.  I tend to assign value to 
this when I'm evaluating different products and vendors.  Then 
again, another way to look at this is that the .NET Refactoring 
folks have spent more time on their product than the web site.  Many 
open source projects don't have butt-kickin' marketing collateral, 
but end up with a truly great product.  C# Refactory has support for 
metrics that had to have taken some effort, so I don't think the no-
time-to-work-on-the-website argument really stands up.  Even 
though .NET Refactoring supports more refactorings than C# 
Refactory, C# Refactory has features that .NET Refactoring doesn't 
and their brand/image effort still seems to have been greater.  What 
it might suggest is that the folks at Xtreme Simplicity have more 
resources at their disposal than the .NET Refactoring folks.  Again, 
there's really know way to know if this reflects on the products 
without comparing both of them side-by-side.

I sent a message to both groups asking why anyone should chose their 
product over another product.  I'm comforted by a product group that 
knows where they stand in terms of what's offered by other groups in 
their field.  Sometimes no one in a nascent market (I think that 
refactoring products for .NET is pretty nascent) has had time to 
take a long look at the other products in the space, so it's 
entirely excusable if I don't get an exhaustive response from 
either.  It comes back to resources – if one group has the resources 
and the wherewithal to take a look at products similar to their own, 
then I'm comforted by the idea that they're not necessarily working 
in isolation in regards to what's going on outside their own 
window.  I'll let anyone who's interested know the results of my 
inquiries to the product groups when I get responses to my emails.

Both products come packaged with an installer – a definite plus.  
Kudos to both groups for taking the time to explore Visual 
Studio .NET's support for building msi packages.  .NET Refactoring 
requires the J# runtime redistributable and prompts you to install 
it if it's not found.  I'm gonna take a leap now and assume that if 
this product requires the J# runtime, then it's possible that it's 
written in J#.  If this is true, then it's possible that it was 
ported from an exiting java app.  I see this potentially as a good 
thing since it possibly says a little something about the maturity 
of the source base (even though it may have had to be converted to 
J# code).  On the other hand, I feel placated by a C# product that 
is written in C#.  But that's probably an emotional response to an 
issue where an emotional response isn't entirely appropriate, so I'm 
willing to give myself a poor grade for taking this into 
consideration.  I certainly don't take this issue into consideration 
for TogetherSoft's support of C#, and their product line is most 
certainly built on java.

Xtreme Simplicity does a good job of showing you what you're getting 
into with their product by providing screen shots of each supported 
refactoring.  They present the before and after with a big arrow 
reminiscent of the way that Martin Fowler's refactoring catalog 
shows before representations of a given refactoring.  .NET 
Refactoring doesn't provide this kind of material, and I think it's 
a detriment to their promo efforts.  It's certainly nice to see what 
you're gonna get before you get it.  I appreciate any vendor who 
will take the time to provide screen shots and example code that I 
can peruse before downloading and working with an eval.

Personal Concluision
====================
Even though .NET Refactoring provides support for more refactorings, 
I'm going to give C# Refactory a spin.  If I had the time to 
evaluate both, I would, but I don't.  I think Xtreme Simplicity has 
done a better job of luring me to their product and I think I can 
live with the lesser number of supported refactorings for now.  I 
get the feeling that they have more resources to work with and that 
their product will mature.  I'm also pretty stoked to take a look at 
what their metrics offer.  It'll be interesting to see how well 
their metrics stack up against Control Center.  I'm guessing that 
you can't compare metrics from one day with metrics from other days 
and get an idea of how code quality is progressing over time as you 
can with Control Center.  Nonetheless, it would be nice to put a 
$150 tool on developers' desktops and let them take a look at their 
cyclomatic complexity numbers on the spot (that is, if metrics are 
actually important to a given development group ;-).

I'm about to start doing some refactoring on a project of mine.  If 
anyone's interested, I'll share my feelings about working with C# 
Refactory in the "real" world.

Cheers,
Scott

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