Chris Wheeler | 1 May 04:57 2008
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Re: XP and Scrum

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:55 PM, John A. De Goes <john <at> n-brain.net> wrote:

>
> Do you usually act inconsistently with the person you view yourself to
> be? If you do, then you would be a first, among all the people I have
> known.
>

Blatantly inconsistent and usually inconsistent are two different things. I
know who I am and know when I act different from that.

However, that aside, mailing list psychology is rarely accurate enough for
you to determine what I am or am not. Humans are complex, we work hard at
being complex. It's the best thing about the human psyche, motivation, and
philosophy. Hence, I doubt that there is more than a sliver of accuracy in
the way that you are summing up human behaviour.

Chris.

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June Clarke | 1 May 06:00 2008

[ANN:] Continuous Integration on Steroids <at> XPSD - Thursday, May 1st <at> 6:00PM

With the increasing adoption of XP techniques, and continuous integration in
particular, a number of tools have emerged to support CI at an enterprise
level. At this month's eXtreme Programming San Diego meeting, Stephen Gargan
will give a technical tutorial that will cover the full continuous
integration stack that facilitates a well developed CI process suitable for
enterprise environments. This talk is aimed at software engineers/developers
and will be slightly longer than our usual meeting duration (2 hours).

The tutorial will demonstrate how to set up a robust agile release process
using Maven2. You will learn the complete Maven lifecycle building up to
implementing a single-click release process. Included in the CI system will
be:
-	functional testing using Cargo
-	an enterprise repository manager: Nexus
-	TeamCity as a continuous integration server 
-	Perforce for configuration management

Stephen Gargan has been a Maven maven and evangelist since its release and
has spoken on the topic at XPSD in 2004. He can be found programming during
every waking moment except when he is reading the pragmatic bookshelf.

** This meeting will start promptly at 6pm so please arrive 10 minutes early
if you have not been to our meetings before. If you have attended an XPSD
meeting in the past, please RSVP to joonspoon <at> joonspoon.com so that we can
have a badge waiting for you.

The meeting will be held at SAIC on Campus Point Dr. (
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not a U.S. citizen, bring your passport with you to the meeting.

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Md. Abdullah-Al-Mamun | 2 May 13:01 2008
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How to measure agile projects reliability

Hello,

Can you please give me some idea about the current practice of
Reliability Measurement in agile/eXtreme development.

i have listed some possible ways:

1. Test Coverage (i.e higher percentage = higher reliability)
2. Applying Software Reliability Growth Models (like Goel, Yamada etc)
3. Classical Operational-Profile/User-story

Eagerly waiting for your valuable replies.

Thank You.

/Mamun
Student, MSc in Soft Eng
BTH,Sweden

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a_ouadjaout | 2 May 13:03 2008
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Design phase

Hi all,
I'm new to XP, so I have a basic question:
How can I organize the design of the requested features ? Is it done
during pair programming ? Or is it at the beginning of the iteration ?
Thanks!

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D. André Dhondt | 2 May 15:45 2008
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Re: How to measure agile projects reliability

I'm not familiar with Goel or Yamada or classical Operational-Profile.

I can't speak for Agility or XP in general, but in my experience I've found
there are several lightweight ways to measure reliability--before we deploy
our applications--with continuous integration, automated acceptance tests,
and the regular feedback from our customers as we deploy often.  After
deployment, in my understanding of XP, there is no formal measure of
application reliablity, because we expect the software to work as it was
designed and tested to work--and we get regular feedback on this expectation
from the Acceptance Tests, and if they fail, we fix them ASAP.  I woudn't
measure reliability directly unless it was causing problems or it was a
concern of the customer.  On the other hand, I'd never run a production
process without some server monitoring / alerts configured--but that is so
easy and inexpensive to configure I don't think it's necessarily the same
thing you're asking about.  What is reliability?  Does it include
high-availability concepts like clustering, disaster recovery, etc?
Configuring this level of availability would come out of story cards, I
think.

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Md. Abdullah-Al-Mamun <mamun222 <at> yahoo.com>
wrote:

>   Hello,
>
> Can you please give me some idea about the current practice of
> Reliability Measurement in agile/eXtreme development.
>
> i have listed some possible ways:
>
> 1. Test Coverage (i.e higher percentage = higher reliability)
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John Roth | 2 May 16:34 2008
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Re: How to measure agile projects reliability

To expand on this a bit: XP doesn't deal with special
needs. If you need formal reliability measures you need
to add practices to make it happen. That's a basic
part of XP: adapting the process to the needs of the
specific project.

There are people on this list (and elsewhere) who do
need formal verification of reliability; many of them
will be happy to answer your questions of what they
did.

John  Roth

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D. André Dhondt" <d.andre.dhondt <at> gmail.com>
To: <extremeprogramming <at> yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XP] How to measure agile projects reliability

I'm not familiar with Goel or Yamada or classical Operational-Profile.

I can't speak for Agility or XP in general, but in my experience I've found
there are several lightweight ways to measure reliability--before we deploy
our applications--with continuous integration, automated acceptance tests,
and the regular feedback from our customers as we deploy often.  After
deployment, in my understanding of XP, there is no formal measure of
application reliablity, because we expect the software to work as it was
designed and tested to work--and we get regular feedback on this expectation
from the Acceptance Tests, and if they fail, we fix them ASAP.  I woudn't
measure reliability directly unless it was causing problems or it was a
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Chet Hendrickson | 2 May 16:48 2008

Re: Design phase

Hello a_ouadjaout,

In XP design should take place throughout a features developmental life.  Some amount design takes place
when the team estimates the feature.  A little design may take place during the iteration planning
meeting, although some teams get carried away.  We recommend starting each pair-programming session
with a quick design session.  TDD is a actually more about design than testing.

I guess the bottom line is that a team doing XP is always designing.

chet

Friday, May 2, 2008, 7:03:59 AM, you wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm new to XP, so I have a basic question:
> How can I organize the design of the requested features ? Is it done
> during pair programming ? Or is it at the beginning of the iteration ?
> Thanks!

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Best regards,
 Chet                            mailto:lists <at> hendricksonxp.com

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Md. Abdullah-Al-Mamun | 2 May 16:58 2008
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Re: How to measure agile projects reliability

Thank you Mr. John Roth and D. André Dhondt. I have already searched a number of research databases but
found a little work on Certification Reliability Estimation/Prediction (ofcourse we can say this
formal) of agile development.
I have a little idea what people are doing in the real world regarding this issue and waiting for other
peoples here.

/Mamun

----- Original Message ----
From: John Roth <JohnRoth1 <at> gmail.com>
To: extremeprogramming <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 3:34:23 PM
Subject: Re: [XP] How to measure agile projects reliability

To expand on this a bit: XP doesn't deal with special
needs. If you need formal reliability measures you need
to add practices to make it happen. That's a basic
part of XP: adapting the process to the needs of the
specific project.

There are people on this list (and elsewhere) who do
need formal verification of reliability; many of them
will be happy to answer your questions of what they
did.

John  Roth

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To: <extremeprogramming <at>  yahoogroups. com>
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Daniel Pupek | 2 May 16:58 2008

Re: Design phase

I second that....there is design value in everything. When you're estimating
stories you are designing. When you write acceptance tests you are
designing. When you write unit tests you are designing. When you are coding
you are designing.

For me I find the design value in EVERYTHING and latch onto it. Don't write
tests just to say you have tests use them as a design tool. Don't estimate
just to get estimates uses the planning as a design tool.

Dan

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Chet Hendrickson <lists <at> hendricksonxp.com>
wrote:

>   Hello a_ouadjaout,
>
> In XP design should take place throughout a features developmental life.
> Some amount design takes place when the team estimates the feature. A little
> design may take place during the iteration planning meeting, although some
> teams get carried away. We recommend starting each pair-programming session
> with a quick design session. TDD is a actually more about design than
> testing.
>
> I guess the bottom line is that a team doing XP is always designing.
>
> chet
>
> Friday, May 2, 2008, 7:03:59 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
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Israel Antezana | 2 May 17:01 2008
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Re: Design phase


The design is done during the whole project, not at the begining of the iteration, but you can have lets say a
fifteen minute meeting for design when you want to start the development of a new feature. The design is
done every minute while programming, refactoring, driving the code by tests, etc.
 
Regards,
 
Israel Antezana R.

--- El vie 2-may-08, a_ouadjaout <a_ouadjaout <at> yahoo.fr> escribió:

De: a_ouadjaout <a_ouadjaout <at> yahoo.fr>
Asunto: [XP] Design phase
A: extremeprogramming <at> yahoogroups.com
Fecha: viernes, 2 mayo, 2008, 6:03 am

Hi all,
I'm new to XP, so I have a basic question:
How can I organize the design of the requested features ? Is it done
during pair programming ? Or is it at the beginning of the iteration ?
Thanks!

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