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»Q« | 1 Jun 2010 02:48
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Re: Question about ChatZilla

In <news:pY2dnYuHCOAPtZnRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
Phillip Jones <pjones1 <at> kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Firefox and Thunderbird don't play nice together when clicking  a
> mailto: in a web page. First it create a Blank web page. Then when it
> opens or switch to Thunderbird it doesn't put the out going address
> in the blank message pane as it should. I've explained this over the
> years and I've been blown off as a crackpot.

You haven't been blown off as a crackpot, of course, but no one can
reproduce your problems with mailto links AFAIAA.  If you want to take
your mailto problem up again in the Firefox or Thunderbird group, fine,
but highjacking a thread about ChatZilla in the SeaMonkey group is
inappropriate.

I'm setting followups to mozilla.general.

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Phillip Jones | 1 Jun 2010 03:41
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Re: Question about ChatZilla

»Q« wrote:
> In<news:pY2dnYuHCOAPtZnRnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
> Phillip Jones<pjones1 <at> kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> Firefox and Thunderbird don't play nice together when clicking  a
>> mailto: in a web page. First it create a Blank web page. Then when it
>> opens or switch to Thunderbird it doesn't put the out going address
>> in the blank message pane as it should. I've explained this over the
>> years and I've been blown off as a crackpot.
>
> You haven't been blown off as a crackpot, of course, but no one can
> reproduce your problems with mailto links AFAIAA.  If you want to take
> your mailto problem up again in the Firefox or Thunderbird group, fine,
> but highjacking a thread about ChatZilla in the SeaMonkey group is
> inappropriate.
>
> I'm setting followups to mozilla.general.
>
Perhaps the section you chose to quote needed to be moved. But in the 
whole I was pointing out to the poster I was answering, when he 
suggested that email component should be removed from SeaMonkey.

The point I was making with the above comment is how the components work 
efficiently with each other as as opposed to how clunky FF/TB work 
together.  That SeaMonkey was made for people that wanted everything 
rolled into one.

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»Q« | 1 Jun 2010 04:38
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Re: Question about ChatZilla

In <news:oPednayIUNGo-JnRnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
Phillip Jones <pjones1 <at> kimbanet.com> wrote:

> The point I was making with the above comment is how the components
> work efficiently with each other as as opposed to how clunky FF/TB
> work together.

And it's a horrible point, since they work just fine together, not
clunky at all.  You, Phillip, can't make mailto links work ok, and
AFAIK no one is able to help you make them work, but they work fine
for other people.  And you knew that.

> That SeaMonkey was made for people that wanted everything rolled
> into one.

As you have seen from this thread and many others like it, there
are a lot of SeaMonkey users who do *not* want everything piled into
one.  To the extent that they can, SM developers and support people
help them with what they want.  If you can help with that, by all means
go back to the thread in the support group and help with it.

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Phillip Jones | 1 Jun 2010 20:38
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Re: Question about ChatZilla

»Q« wrote:
> In<news:oPednayIUNGo-JnRnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
> Phillip Jones<pjones1 <at> kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> The point I was making with the above comment is how the components
>> work efficiently with each other as as opposed to how clunky FF/TB
>> work together.
>
> And it's a horrible point, since they work just fine together, not
> clunky at all.  You, Phillip, can't make mailto links work ok, and
> AFAIK no one is able to help you make them work, but they work fine
> for other people.  And you knew that.
>
>> That SeaMonkey was made for people that wanted everything rolled
>> into one.
>
> As you have seen from this thread and many others like it, there
> are a lot of SeaMonkey users who do *not* want everything piled into
> one.  To the extent that they can, SM developers and support people
> help them with what they want.  If you can help with that, by all means
> go back to the thread in the support group and help with it.
>

The aim and desire of SeaMonkey is and was for all in one (News/Mail/Web 
Browser/FTP)
Now we people that want to remove the email or  the newsgroups or the 
web Browser.

We already have that in  FF which is browser only and Thunderbird which 
email/news only.
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»Q« | 2 Jun 2010 00:37
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Re: Question about ChatZilla

In <news:otydnfhFweYXzpjRnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
Phillip Jones <pjones1 <at> kimbanet.com> wrote:

> »Q« wrote:

> > As you have seen from this thread and many others like it, there
> > are a lot of SeaMonkey users who do *not* want everything piled into
> > one.  To the extent that they can, SM developers and support people
> > help them with what they want.  If you can help with that, by all
> > means go back to the thread in the support group and help with it.
> 
> The aim and desire of SeaMonkey is and was for all in one
> (News/Mail/Web Browser/FTP)
> Now we people that want to remove the email or  the newsgroups or the 
> web Browser.

Those are *your* aims and desires, obviously not shared by all
SeaMonkey users.  SeaMonkey, until recently, gave users the option of
having an e-mail client bolted onto the browser.  Now, for Windows
users at least, it's not an option to do without the e-mail/news
component, and there have been a lot of complaints from SM users who
don't want it.  

> We already have that in  FF which is browser only and Thunderbird
> which email/news only.

SeaMonkey users don't generally want to use Firefox, but a lot of them
do want to use the SeaMonkey browser without having an e-mail/news
client bolted to it, as in this thread.  Or ChatZilla, earlier in this
thread.
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Jay Garcia | 2 Jun 2010 14:14

Re: I found a *better* workaround for the "can't delete Usenet headers" bug!

On 01.06.2010 22:53, John H Meyers wrote:

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> On 6/1/2010 8:59 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> 
>> Again, you're not following directions.
>> I said to drag/drop messages to Local Folders
> 
> "Local Folders" (an account) does not accept dragged messages.

Sorry, I assumed (wrongly) that you were savvy enough to realize that
"Local Folders" is NOT an account but rather a repository that includes
INBOX, etc. and that you would drag/drop messages likewise. "Local
Folders" is auto-created when TB is installed.

> Only mailboxes _under_ the "Local Folders" account accept dragging,
> and that's exactly where I dragged them (with seriously bad effects,
> as previously mentioned)

<sigh!!>

>> .. OR .. to a mailbox created especially to drop news
>> messages to. SENT was never mentioned nor was INBOX.
> 
> Quoting precisely what _was_ said earlier:
>> Download your selected news postings to either Local Folders or a folder
>> specifically created for news postings/messages. After that they are
>> treated as regular messages like mail messages and after reading them
>> you can delete them the same as you do mail messages.
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KristleBawl | 2 Jun 2010 16:31

Article from MesQuilla,,Messaging with Mozilla by rkent

Lessons from Google: Thunderbird as a Firefox extension!

http://mesquilla.com/2010/06/01/lessons-from-google-thunderbird-as-a-firefox-extension/

Interesting read.

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Re: Article from MesQuilla,,Messaging with Mozilla by rkent

In <news:9_udnVhw9LTd9pvRnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
KristleBawl <KristleBawl <at> some.email> wrote:

> Lessons from Google: Thunderbird as a Firefox extension!
> 
> http://mesquilla.com/2010/06/01/lessons-from-google-thunderbird-as-a-firefox-extension/
> 
> Interesting read.

  "SkinkFox could have the same relationship to Thunderbird that
  Lightning has to Sunbird: the same product packaged both standalone,
  and as an extension."

There is no more Sunbird being produced, though it's possible to get
and use old Sunbirds.  The calendar people gave up on it because they
didn't have the manpower to maintain it and Lightning both.

WRT the overall point of the blog post, I don't think making an e-mail
add-on for Firefox would enhance Mozilla's brand or revenues.  The
blogger says it would but doesn't explain anything about that.

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KristleBawl | 4 Jun 2010 16:16

Re: Article from MesQuilla,,Messaging with Mozilla by rkent

»Q« expressed an opinion:
> "SkinkFox could have the same relationship to Thunderbird that
> Lightning has to Sunbird: the same product packaged both standalone,
> and as an extension."
>
> There is no more Sunbird being produced, though it's possible to get
> and use old Sunbirds.  The calendar people gave up on it because
> they didn't have the manpower to maintain it and Lightning both.
>
> WRT the overall point of the blog post, I don't think making an
> e-mail add-on for Firefox would enhance Mozilla's brand or revenues.
> The blogger says it would but doesn't explain anything about that.

The opinions in that blog were still interesting, to me, but I don't see
the benefit, either. Maybe the blogger needs to look more closely at
Seamonkey. ;-)

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mike | 7 Jun 2010 04:55
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problems deleting unneeded newsgroups in seamonkey

I am not sure this is the right place to request help for my current 
problem. A host of newsgroups suddenly appeared in my seamonkey site, 
and I wish to delete them one at a time or all at once. The instructions 
under 'help'  tell me to identify the icons and 'delete', however, there 
is no 'delete' feature related to the newsgroup items. I assume I am 
missing a detail. Can someone advise??
Thanks.
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