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Michael B. | 3 Feb 2010 23:13
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How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google 
search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid click 
on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the same?
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»Q« | 4 Feb 2010 04:51
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Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

In <news:1aGdnRR57qG3aPTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
"Michael B." <Prescience500 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?
> 
> Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google 
> search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid
> click on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the same?

The contract between the Mozilla Corporation and Google is secret, and
AFAIK no one at Mozilla has publicly spelled out the details you're
asking about.  This lack of openness bugs me, and I hope someone will
come along and prove me wrong, so stay tuned.

FWIW, MozCorp has contracts with other search providers as well, but
most of the revenue comes from Google, at least until the current
contract with them expires in 2011.  Google's not the default search
engine or the default home page for Firefox in some locales.

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Michael B. | 4 Feb 2010 05:03
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Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

On 02/03/2010 09:51 PM, »Q« wrote:
> In<news:1aGdnRR57qG3aPTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
> "Michael B."<Prescience500 <at> gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?
>>
>> Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google
>> search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid
>> click on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the same?
>
> The contract between the Mozilla Corporation and Google is secret, and
> AFAIK no one at Mozilla has publicly spelled out the details you're
> asking about.  This lack of openness bugs me, and I hope someone will
> come along and prove me wrong, so stay tuned.
>
> FWIW, MozCorp has contracts with other search providers as well, but
> most of the revenue comes from Google, at least until the current
> contract with them expires in 2011.  Google's not the default search
> engine or the default home page for Firefox in some locales.
>

Hmm...I had some thoughts on how to increase usage of the Firefox start 
page I wanted to share because I know some people who refuse to use it 
even though the Google's start page. I guess there's not much point in 
saying anything then, lol.
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Ron Hunter | 4 Feb 2010 09:21
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Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

On 2/3/2010 10:03 PM, Michael B. wrote:
> On 02/03/2010 09:51 PM, »Q« wrote:
>> In<news:1aGdnRR57qG3aPTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
>> "Michael B."<Prescience500 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?
>>>
>>> Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google
>>> search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid
>>> click on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the same?
>>
>> The contract between the Mozilla Corporation and Google is secret, and
>> AFAIK no one at Mozilla has publicly spelled out the details you're
>> asking about. This lack of openness bugs me, and I hope someone will
>> come along and prove me wrong, so stay tuned.
>>
>> FWIW, MozCorp has contracts with other search providers as well, but
>> most of the revenue comes from Google, at least until the current
>> contract with them expires in 2011. Google's not the default search
>> engine or the default home page for Firefox in some locales.
>>
>
> Hmm...I had some thoughts on how to increase usage of the Firefox start
> page I wanted to share because I know some people who refuse to use it
> even though the Google's start page. I guess there's not much point in
> saying anything then, lol.

I use the Google page as my start page because it is plain, simple, and 
VERY fast.  Adding in the extra stuff with the Firefox Google page just 
messes up the display with stuff I don't need.  I also would suspect
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Jay Garcia | 4 Feb 2010 15:00

Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

On 03.02.2010 21:51, »Q« wrote:

  --- Original Message ---

> In<news:1aGdnRR57qG3aPTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
> "Michael B."<Prescience500 <at> gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>  How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?
>>
>>  Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google
>>  search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid
>>  click on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the same?
>
> The contract between the Mozilla Corporation and Google is secret, and
> AFAIK no one at Mozilla has publicly spelled out the details you're
> asking about.  This lack of openness bugs me, and I hope someone will
> come along and prove me wrong, so stay tuned.
>
> FWIW, MozCorp has contracts with other search providers as well, but
> most of the revenue comes from Google, at least until the current
> contract with them expires in 2011.  Google's not the default search
> engine or the default home page for Firefox in some locales.
>

MozCorp isn't a publicly traded corporation and therefore has no reason 
to "open it's books". Just a guess based on it's history.

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Jay Garcia | 4 Feb 2010 15:01

Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

On 04.02.2010 08:00, Jay Garcia wrote:

  --- Original Message ---

> On 03.02.2010 21:51, »Q« wrote:
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
>> In<news:1aGdnRR57qG3aPTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
>> "Michael B."<Prescience500 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?
>>>
>>> Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google
>>> search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid
>>> click on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the same?
>>
>> The contract between the Mozilla Corporation and Google is secret, and
>> AFAIK no one at Mozilla has publicly spelled out the details you're
>> asking about. This lack of openness bugs me, and I hope someone will
>> come along and prove me wrong, so stay tuned.
>>
>> FWIW, MozCorp has contracts with other search providers as well, but
>> most of the revenue comes from Google, at least until the current
>> contract with them expires in 2011. Google's not the default search
>> engine or the default home page for Firefox in some locales.
>>
>
> MozCorp isn't a publicly traded corporation and therefore has no reason
> to "open it's books". Just a guess based on it's history.
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Bill Braun | 4 Feb 2010 15:23

Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

Jay Garcia wrote:
> MozCorp isn't a publicly traded corporation and therefore
>  has no reason to "open it's books". Just a guess based
> on it's history.

I would agree on technical grounds, though I wonder if the
spirit of their purpose and mission (open source) ought to
inform their transparency policies.

Bill B
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Michael B. | 4 Feb 2010 19:26
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Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

On 02/04/2010 08:23 AM, Bill Braun wrote:
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> MozCorp isn't a publicly traded corporation and therefore
>> has no reason to "open it's books". Just a guess based
>> on it's history.
>
> I would agree on technical grounds, though I wonder if the
> spirit of their purpose and mission (open source) ought to
> inform their transparency policies.
>
> Bill B

Hmm...I don't know. Considering that Mozilla would probably benefit from 
it being more open because the more fervent supporters would try to 
search in such a way as to maximize their revenue, I think it was 
probably Google who wanted it secret. I would suspect that attempts to 
"game the system" were on Google's mind at least in part when they drew 
up the contract. I don't know the numbers or the or anything or about 
search engines usually paying web browsers or anything, but if it's not 
something that's normally particularly lucrative, then I'd say open or 
not, Mozilla's getting a crazy good deal. If not, then I don't know.
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»Q« | 4 Feb 2010 19:29
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Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

In <news:qPudnYeXiLTLTvfWnZ2dnUVZ_uJi4p2d <at> mozilla.org>,
Jay Garcia <Jay <at> JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:

> On 04.02.2010 08:00, Jay Garcia wrote:
> 
> > On 03.02.2010 21:51, »Q« wrote:
> >
> >> In<news:1aGdnRR57qG3aPTWnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
> >> "Michael B."<Prescience500 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?
> >>>
> >>> Is it per search using either the Firefox Start page or the google
> >>> search bar? Is it per search on either that then leads to a paid
> >>> click on an advertisement? Are the revenue models for both the
> >>> same?
> >>
> >> The contract between the Mozilla Corporation and Google is secret,
> >> and AFAIK no one at Mozilla has publicly spelled out the details
> >> you're asking about. This lack of openness bugs me, and I hope
> >> someone will come along and prove me wrong, so stay tuned.

> > MozCorp isn't a publicly traded corporation and therefore has no
> > reason to "open it's books". Just a guess based on it's history.

Even companies which must open their books aren't compelled to publicly
post the contracts they sign with other companies.  IMO, there are
plenty of reasons for MozCorp to choose to do so, though, given their
stated goals of openness regarding the www.
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»Q« | 4 Feb 2010 20:31
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Re: How exactly does Mozilla make royalties from Google?

In <news:G62dnVj1QL_0jPbWnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d <at> mozilla.org>,
"Michael B." <Prescience500 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know the numbers or the or anything or about search engines
> usually paying web browsers or anything, but if it's not something
> that's normally particularly lucrative, then I'd say open or not,
> Mozilla's getting a crazy good deal. If not, then I don't know.

Mozilla was the first to strike such deals, so there's not much to
compare it to.  The only other browser vendor doing it is Opera, AFAIK,
and they don't release any numbers.

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