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Ed Mullen | 1 Sep 2008 03:07
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 28 Aug

JoeS wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:52:54 -0500
>>> Jay Garcia <Jay <at> JayNOSPAMGarcia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ideal situation would be of course to allow images posted in the
>>>> same thread as the discussion like most other support venues. But we
>>>> gotta take what we can get for now.
>>>
>>> If Mozilla ever controls its own new server, we can fight that battle
>>> then. Just serving notice that what you think is ideal, I see as
>>> horrible. ;)
>>
>> Hopping back and forth between two groups to read the text of a problem
>> and then view one or more screen shots depicting the issue is a royal
>> pain in the butt. It makes the effort of people trying to help others
>> onerous. And, based on the weak explanations/justifications, it's just
>> plain silly.
>>
> You can have both windows open simultaneously in TB if you choose the 
> option:
> Open mesaages in "A new message window"
> Tools->options->advanced->general
> 

I know I /can/ - and I can do that in SeaMonkey too.  But I don't *want* 
to do that.

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Ed Mullen | 1 Sep 2008 03:08
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 28 Aug

»Q« wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:37:38 -0400
> Ed Mullen <ed <at> edmullen.net> wrote:
> 
>> »Q« wrote:
> 
>>> AUIU, 
>> What does that mean?
> 
> Sorry -- I mistype that too often.  It should have been AIUI, for "As I
> understand it".  Those two keys shouldn't be next to each other.
> 

Thanks.  Well, it is a QWERTY keyboard.  Anything with a name like that 
can't be all good.  :-D

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Ken Whiton | 1 Sep 2008 03:07

Re: Welcome & FAQ 29 Aug

*-* On Sun, 31 Aug 2008, at 13:31:01 -0500,
*-* In Article 20080831133101.752aca34 <at> bellgrove.remarqs.net,
*-* »Q« wrote
*-* About Re: Welcome & FAQ 29 Aug

> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:25:39 -0400
> Ed Mullen <ed <at> edmullen.net> wrote:

>> Huh?  I've had Giganews accounts before and they have a slew of
>> un-moderated binary newsgroups.

> They do not provide any of those for free.  They either charge
> the user directly or charge the ISP who's contracting with them
> for access.  Their condition for providing binary groups for free is
> that they must be moderated;  whether that's to do with bandwidth or
> storage costs or both, I don't know.

> As you suggested before, they could just limit storage space for
> mozilla.* binary groups.  But it's my impression they don't want to
> tinker with their server settings much, preferring to have all their
> servers configured similarly.

      Similarly, but not necessarily identically.  I have first-hand
experience with two different ISPs outsourcing news to Giganews.  One
permitted users a maximum of 5 GB of downloads per month, the other a
maximum of 2 GB.  Also, in another newsgroup I frequent there is a
regular poster who has stated that he gets 10 GB a month from Giganews
through his ISP.  I don't know how well (or even if) limiting
downloads correlates with limiting a user's storage space, especially
since Mozilla would seem to be a special case, but there *are* different
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Ed Mullen | 1 Sep 2008 03:34
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Re: problem with some Mozilla sites?

Chris Ilias wrote:
> On 8/31/08 10:46 AM, _David E. Ross_ spoke thusly:
>> When I select the link in your reply, I get
>> <http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox+Support+Home+Page>, which
>> is the same page I reported.  There is a list of six links at the right
>> edge of the page, all off the edge of my viewable area unless I scroll
>> right (horizontal scroll bar).
>>
>> Because my eyes are getting older, I have my screen resolution 800x600.
> 
> Then that's the reason for the scroll bar. There's a self-imposed rule 
> on knowledge base articles not to cause a scroll bar with a 1024x768 
> window.
> 
>> Good Web design should not assume any screen size or resolution.
> 
> I would have to disagree. Open any web site in a 10x10 window. :-)
> 

Sigh.  Cute comment but it doesn't further the discussion, nor does it 
help someone who's following it in an attempt to glean some useful 
knowledge about the topic.  Besides, even my cellphone is larger than 10 
x 10.

Elsewhere you said:

 > I'm talking about assuming a minimum

But you cannot safely do that!
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Ed Mullen | 1 Sep 2008 03:37
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Re: problem with some Mozilla sites?

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 8/30/2008 6:01 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>>> On 8/30/08 1:51 PM, _David E. Ross_ spoke thusly:
>>>> I also noticed that <http://support.mozilla.com/> yields a page with a
>>>> significant horizontal scrollbar.  Any page that requires this is 
>>>> poorly
>>>> designed unless it is for a photo, other graphic, or chart that is the
>>>> main purpose of the page.  (I'm not sure that a wide chart can't be
>>>> better designed -- perhaps not as a chart -- to avoid a horizontal
>>>> scrollbar.)
>>>
>>> Are you talking about the <http://support.mozilla.com/> start page? I 
>>> don't get a horizontal scroll bar here. If it's a specific page, 
>>> which page? There's a self-imposed rule on knowledge base articles 
>>> not to cause a scroll bar with a 1024x768 window. What resolution are 
>>> you using?
>>>
>>
>> When I select the link in your reply, I get
>> <http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox+Support+Home+Page>, which
>> is the same page I reported.  There is a list of six links at the right
>> edge of the page, all off the edge of my viewable area unless I scroll
>> right (horizontal scroll bar).
>>
>> Because my eyes are getting older, I have my screen resolution 800x600.
>>  While I could go to 1024x768 and then increase the font size for
>> SeaMonkey, that does not work for all the other applications I use.
>> Good Web design should not assume any screen size or resolution.
>>
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Moz Champion (Dan | 1 Sep 2008 08:03
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 28 Aug

squaredancer wrote:
> On 31.08.2008 15:29, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  Moz Champion 
> (Dan) to generate the following:? :
>> squaredancer wrote:
>>  
>>> On 30.08.2008 21:29, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  Moz 
>>> Champion (Dan) to generate the following:? :
>>>    
>>>> squaredancer wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>      
>>>>> On 29.08.2008 20:36, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  Terry R. 
>>>>> to generate the following:? :
>>>>>           
>>>>>> The date and time was 8/29/2008 10:47 AM, and on a whim, Jay 
>>>>>> Garcia pounded out on the keyboard:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> On 29.08.2008 02:18, Ken Whiton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  --- Original Message ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                      
>>>>>>>> *-* On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, at 21:44:47 -0400,
>>>>>>>> *-* In Article 
>>>>>>>> mailman.620.1219974404.3597.support-screenshots <at> lists.mozilla.org,
>>>>>>>> *-* Moz Champion (Dan) wrote
>>>>>>>> *-* About Welcome & FAQ 28 Aug
>>>>>>>>
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Moz Champion (Dan | 1 Sep 2008 08:13
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 28 Aug

squaredancer wrote:
> On 31.08.2008 15:29, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  Moz Champion 
> (Dan) to generate the following:? :

>>>    
>>>> You post in the discussion group, answer is here (pointing to 
>>>> screenshots) then you post both images (and text) to screenshots
>>>>
>>>> to REPLY you go back to the discussion group.
>>>>
>>>> Simple, you people are making this much too complicated.
>>>> No one said a post had to be ONLY a screenshot, explanatory text was 
>>>> also included. In fact, the notation for which group the discussion 
>>>> is in was a requirement, so where did you get the idea that NO text 
>>>> could be included in the post?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> YOU are making it complicated by not putting the requirements for 
>>> posting in clear language. To date, ALL requirements for the 
>>> screenshots-group more-or-less state "post images only" and text in 
>>> the respective support-group.
>>>
>>> reg
>>>     
>>
>>
>> Where does it say 'post images only' ? 
> 
> what then, is this supposed to mean (from YOUR posts)
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Moz Champion (Dan | 1 Sep 2008 08:35
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 28 Aug

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> »Q« wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:34:22 -0700
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> <peter.potamus.the.purple.hippo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> May I please request that you tone down your criticism of Chris?
>>>> You would be surprised at the amount of work and effort that Chris
>>>> has put in on behalf of this group behind the scenes, regardless of
>>>> his position pro or con.  
>>> if he wants to criticize, then thats his right to. 
>>
>> Sure, but since Dan's the one who's actually putting in the work to try
>> to make the screenshots group work, it'd be nice if he could do so
>> without having to wade through the extraneous noise.  Dan's request
>> seems reasonable to me, and note that it was a request to tone down,
>> not even a request to stop criticizing, let alone anything to do with
>> "rights".
> 
> A Repeat: I have ask you many, MANY times, but you seem to have a 
> problem with comprehension.  Your inability to understand seems to 
> diminish as time goes on. Please do not respond to any of my postings. 
> As long as you remain a part of the Mozilla Bully Gang, your reply 
> postings to mine are not welcomed. Everybody else in that gang seems to 
> interpret it, but you.  Do you have difficulty getting such things to 
> sink in? You must have a cognitive process problem then?
>
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Moz Champion (Dan | 1 Sep 2008 08:43
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 29 Aug

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> »Q« wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:25:22 -0700
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
>> <peter.potamus.the.purple.hippo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>>
>>>> The FACT is, Mozilla says it is a requirement. It says that
>>>> Giganews will filter binaries UNLESS the group is moderated.  I
>>>> beleive them. If you don't want to, that's your business. But the
>>>> fact is, that is the basis the group is founded on.
>>> for all intended purposed, it could have been Mozilla that imposed 
>>> this so-called policy, not giga.
>>
>> Since your stock response to any information coming from Mozilla is
>> essentially "they might be lying", one wonders what the point of your
>> involvement with the server is.  I'm certainly not suggesting that you
>> leave, but I know what I'd do if I thought the admins of a server were
>> repeatedly lying to me and other users. 
> 
> I have ask you many, MANY times, but you seem to have a problem with 
> comprehension.  Your inability to understand seems to diminish as time 
> goes on.  Please do not respond to any of my postings. As long as you 
> remain a part of the Mozilla Bully Gang, your reply postings to mine are 
> not welcomed. Everybody else in that gang seems to interpret it, but 
> you.  Do you have difficulty getting such things to sink in? You must 
> have a cognitive process problem then?
> 
> Then again, maybe this explains why the Q Continuum booted you out, and
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Moz Champion (Dan | 1 Sep 2008 08:46
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Re: Welcome & FAQ 29 Aug

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Giganews filters all binaries going to the newsgroups, that was made 
>>>> known to Mozilla when Giganews offered to host the news server. They 
>>>> only allow binaries IF the group is moderated. Ergo, the group HAS 
>>>> to be moderated.
>>>
>>> you know, we've all been told that we can't post binaries, because 
>>> its giganews requirement, but nothing has really been pointed out 
>>> that it is their requirement.
>>>
>>> So I'll ask once again, where does it say this. Where does it say 
>>> that posters can't post binaries to the mozilla servers? Where does 
>>> it say that this is a giganews requirement? And it has to be 
>>> something that giganews says.  Not something that Mozilla says.
>>>
>>
>> Here is a page that states Giganews is the host of Mozilla newsgroups
>> http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html
> 
> all it states there is giga is sponsoring the groups, and providing 
> "FREE" access to them.  Then it talks about the giganews policy.  This 
> policy applies to giganews customers.  Then it talks about "Please 
> respect the parts of their Acceptable Use Policy which are relevant to 
> non-Giganews subscribers."  But there is nothing there for "non-giganews 
> subscribers."
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