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squaredancer | 1 Mar 2007 01:12
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Re: [OT] rudeness and obnoxiousness

On 28/02/2007 17:16, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  S. Howard to 
generate the following:? :
> Just out of interest, how did this censorship gig kick off? I gathered 
> from earlier reading it was something about a support post getting 
> removed but got lost in the heat of the general argument.
>
> I believe it may have been posed earlier by one of the Mozilla staff but 
> can't be sure.
>
> Jay Garcia wrote:
>   
>> On 28.02.2007 02:24, Brian Heinrich wrote:
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>>  --- Original Message ---
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> But it's getting late and I'm not sure how much sense I'm making; it seems 
>>> like I've repeated myself repeated myself. . . .
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I'll have to wait till the wife stops laughing before I can continue
>>>> this ... sorry .. 8-)
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>>> :-P
>>>
>>> /b.
>>>
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squaredancer | 1 Mar 2007 01:14
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Re: [OT] rudeness and obnoxiousness

On 28/02/2007 21:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused  Brian Heinrich 
to generate the following:? :
> On 2007-02-28 07:24 (-0700 UTC), Jay Garcia wrote:
>
> <snip />
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>   
<<snipped>>
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> (As an example:  There's a place in London, the name of which escapes me, 
> where people would, in the past, freely gather to protest; since That 
> Incident back in 2001, people are now required to get licences in order to 
> do so, and will be asked to leave if they do not have such.)
>
> /b.
>
>   
Hyde Park Corner - aka "Soap-Box-Corner"

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Chris Ilias | 1 Mar 2007 03:49
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Re: Off Topic Meter

On 28/02/2007 9:12 PM, _Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo_ spoke thusly:
> Chris Ilias wrote:
> 
>> - The drop-off is because of this 
>> <http://ilias.ca/blog/2006/12/going-on-support-newsgroups-hiatus/>.
> 
> if you've gone on hiatus, then how can you be in the groups telling 
> everyone to take it to mail or to mo.gen.  And, if you've gone on 
> hiatus, then how can you delete/remove messages. You really haven't gone 
> on hiatus then, otherwise, you wouldn't be in the groups period.

According to squaredancer, I'm hardly seen; so if you disagree, you'll 
have to take that up with him. :-)

You may want to consider the dates, such as when the blog entry was 
posted [Dec 1], when I replied to Chris Hofmann[1], and when I did all 
the website updates[2].

I was just speculating a reason for squaredancer's comment. :-)

[1]<http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2652024#2652024>
[2]<http://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Cilias/ToDo>
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Chris Ilias | 1 Mar 2007 02:45
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On 28/02/2007 4:37 PM, _squaredancer_ spoke thusly:
> *lol* Peter... your stats are funked anyway, 'cos of the deleted posts.

Seeing a post must be OT for me to delete it, any affect it would have 
on stats would be in favour of those who don't think it's a problem. 
Anywise, I have not removed any of Peter's posts.

> What I liked about Gerv's thread is the fact that he tells just how 
> friend Cyber Policeman
> *simply BEGGED* for months, to be given these censoring rights... even 

"Begged"?....Yeah, okay; I think there were a couple of instances where 
I resorted to begging. :-)

> though he is one of the Champs who is hardly seen in the support groups! 

Look at the all-time posters:
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/about>
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/about>

And:
- I don't go OT. That's almost all user support.
- The drop-off is because of this 
<http://ilias.ca/blog/2006/12/going-on-support-newsgroups-hiatus/>.
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo | 1 Mar 2007 03:29
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> hey, thats interesting stuff there.  I see I lead the group in SM for 
> Feb: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/about :-)

I've taken it one step futher.  I see I've been rated as a four star: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=MY8LiigAAACCVra1HBrf2Si9Td3S6Fa_mr7UfdIM1xOr_MK3YCBEyLYgymxJ9X4yX2JEE1l4tVY&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey

Oooo!, I guess someone likes me :-) :-D

I wonder who gets a 5 stars:

Lee gets none: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=7nJyGRoAAABXTjiQ2I8vJudcCdm2LVBT7q3v8TubemqEGvqpzkWYdQ&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey

Chris is only a 4, too: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=hzx7TgwAAADBmgemAyNKiC_soJW3kgWt&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey

Dan: twoooo!: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=jZbbGhkAAACTtCb-eHQiifI7Y7AMSjxPgSKKFSR4FhFnbYMq1SNNwQ&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey

Jay, no stars for you: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=fhsYVxcAAADoGmz8TtyTIc1Kvji2r94bZ5qjpjAmS5H4KT557s49sQ&group=mozilla.support.thunderbird

Nir is a 4 too.  I thought for sure he'd get a fiver: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=wjvzPRMAAAAElwLrMIvlS9xHeZHjZUrEWMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww&group=mozilla.support.thunderbird

reg is even a three: 
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Cbae6RgAAADTdWZzRn1KXxHp4Rr01kfqspvwuC8TstEQI34qf36YIQ&group=mozilla.support.thunderbird

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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo | 1 Mar 2007 03:12
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Chris Ilias wrote:
> Look at the all-time posters:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/about>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.thunderbird/about>
> 

hey, thats interesting stuff there.  I see I lead the group in SM for 
Feb: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/about :-)

> - The drop-off is because of this 
> <http://ilias.ca/blog/2006/12/going-on-support-newsgroups-hiatus/>.

if you've gone on hiatus, then how can you be in the groups telling 
everyone to take it to mail or to mo.gen.  And, if you've gone on 
hiatus, then how can you delete/remove messages. You really haven't gone 
on hiatus then, otherwise, you wouldn't be in the groups period.

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Leonidas Jones | 1 Mar 2007 05:26

Re: Off Topic Meter

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> hey, thats interesting stuff there.  I see I lead the group in SM for 
>> Feb: http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/about :-)
> 
> I've taken it one step futher.  I see I've been rated as a four star: 
>
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=MY8LiigAAACCVra1HBrf2Si9Td3S6Fa_mr7UfdIM1xOr_MK3YCBEyLYgymxJ9X4yX2JEE1l4tVY&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey 
> 
> 
> Oooo!, I guess someone likes me :-) :-D
> 
> I wonder who gets a 5 stars:
> 
> Lee gets none: 
>
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=7nJyGRoAAABXTjiQ2I8vJudcCdm2LVBT7q3v8TubemqEGvqpzkWYdQ&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey 
> 
> 
> Chris is only a 4, too: 
>
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=hzx7TgwAAADBmgemAyNKiC_soJW3kgWt&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey 
> 
> 
> Dan: twoooo!: 
>
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=jZbbGhkAAACTtCb-eHQiifI7Y7AMSjxPgSKKFSR4FhFnbYMq1SNNwQ&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey 
> 
> 
> Jay, no stars for you:
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Gervase Markham | 1 Mar 2007 12:47
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Re: [OT] rudeness and obnoxiousness

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
> Gervase Markham wrote:
>> So you accept the authority of the newsgroup charter?
> 
> this newsgroup has a charter? Where do I find it?

That's not what I said. I asked if he accepted its authority. Because if 
it does, we can create one :-)

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Gervase Markham | 1 Mar 2007 12:52
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Brian Heinrich wrote:
> I would still suggest that the analogy is poor, because those who attend 
> a given church are a sub-population of the community as a whole who 
> share certain beliefs in common; the 'community standards' within that 
> sub-population will be rooted in those beliefs as well as in the dogma 
> that accrues around the core beliefs.

The analogy is still looking good to me. :-) The core belief here is 
that we want to provide the best possible user experience - and that 
includes usable support forums.

> But, AFAIK, anyone has the ability to check out code from CVS, just as 
> anyone has the ability to view the site.  But the conditions under which 
> a person might be able to check something /into/ the tree are clearly 
> defined (it's been a long time since I've made any changes to the site 
> itself and don't even know if I still have that privilege, but the 
> conditions under which I was permitted to do so were also clear).

This analogy also continues to be excellent. Everyone has the ability to 
read news, but the conditions under which a person may write it are 
restricted (in some way).

> (As an aside, a new trunk build of Tb for Linux hasn't been available 
> for some three weeks now; any idea (how I might be able to find out) 
> when that might be dealt with?)

You are incorrigible, aren't you? :-) How much effort would it have been 
to find the right forum to ask that question?

>> So you accept the authority of the newsgroup charter?
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Gervase Markham | 1 Mar 2007 12:56
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squaredancer wrote:
> What I liked about Gerv's thread is the fact that he tells just how 
> friend Cyber Policeman
> *simply BEGGED* for months, to be given these censoring rights... even 
> though he is one of the Champs who is hardly seen in the support groups! 
> Shows - to my way of thinking - just what a poor life that guy leads and 
> his craving for at least that *power* in the groups!  Poor, misguided 
> soul, he has my sympathies... not

Well, here's someone whose contribution we could quite happily do 
without, it seems.

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