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Gervase Markham | 2 Sep 2003 15:14
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More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted

It is true that:

1) Mozilla 1.4 is the new stable branch, and has had a large amount of 
testing and QA from the community and Netscape's QA department, leading 
up to the Netscape 7.1 release. It will therefore be recommended to 
people who want "a stable Mozilla" for some time yet.

2) Given 1), it is likely that many vendors will ship products based on, 
or including, Mozilla 1.4.

3) mozilla.org is now adopting much more of an end-user focus for its 
software.

4) There will be a 1.4.1 release from the 1.4 branch in the near future.

Putting all that together, it would be good to tweak the 1.4 branch a 
bit to make it more user-friendly.

To this end, we've changed the start page to 
http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.4/, which is an updated version of 
/start/1.0/. However, I think we can do more. This message is to solicit 
suggestions for tweaks we can make to the 1.4 codebase to make it more 
user-friendly. One example suggestion might be "turn on the 'load new 
tabs in background' pref by default."

Please post one suggestion (or a set of closely-related suggestions) per 
follow-up, so discussion can develop on each independently. Please 
choose a sensible subject (rather than "Re: More user friendly..." or 
"Suggestion") for your suggestion post.
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Stan Brown | 2 Sep 2003 18:28

Improved image handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

In article <3F5497BB.6080803 <at> mozilla.org> in 
netscape.public.mozilla.general, Gervase Markham <gerv <at> mozilla.org> 
wrote:
>This message is to solicit 
>suggestions for tweaks we can make to the 1.4 codebase to make it more 
>user-friendly.

Add "Accept images from same _domain_" as an option, alongside 
"All", "same _server", and "none".

When images are suppressed, show an outline (or at least an icon), 
and show the ALT text.

Add "Show image" to the right-click menu when I'm on a spot where an 
image is. That would display that image in place, as opposed to 
"view image" which shows it all by itself (and then doesn't show it 
when I return to the page). "Show image" was in Netscape 4, and I 
miss it sorely.

Add "show images" to the View -> Show/Hide menu. (I suppose for 
consistency it should be just "images", and should toggle like the 
other Show/hide settings.)

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
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"In its default setup, Windows XP on the Internet amounts to a car
parked in a bad part of town, with the doors unlocked, the key in
the ignition and a Post-It note on the dashboard saying, 'Please
don't steal this.'"                -- Washington Post, 24 Aug 2003
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Stan Brown | 2 Sep 2003 18:32

Popup handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

In article <3F5497BB.6080803 <at> mozilla.org> in 
netscape.public.mozilla.general, Gervase Markham <gerv <at> mozilla.org> 
wrote:
>This message is to solicit 
>suggestions for tweaks we can make to the 1.4 codebase to make it more 
>user-friendly. 

Pop-up handling was quite user-friendly in 1.2, but seems less so in 
1.4.

Specifically, I have in mind that "block unrequested popups" in 1.2 
didn't seem to interfere with _requested_ popups. For instance, I 
could search listings at http://www.tvguide.com, and when I clicked 
on a search result a window would pop up with detail on the show. 
This was in 1.2 even though I had "block unrequested popup" checked. 
It was right behavior IMHO -- after all, I _had_ requested that 
popup.

In 1.4 the same thing doesn't work -- I get no popup after clicking.

"Block unrequested popups" should not block _requested_ popups.

Now maybe there's something going on behind the scenes that I don't 
understand. But you asked for user perspective! For me as a user 
this is an issue. I have to turn on all pop-ups, and ten I also get 
all the truly unrequested ones, the ads for heaven knows what.

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Christian Biesinger | 2 Sep 2003 23:07
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Re: Improved image handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

Stan Brown wrote:
> When images are suppressed, show an outline (or at least an icon), 
> and show the ALT text.

This happens already.
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Stan Brown | 3 Sep 2003 03:32

Re: Improved image handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

In article <UD75b.82990$2k4.798480 <at> news.chello.at> in 
netscape.public.mozilla.general, Christian Biesinger 
<cbiesinger <at> web.de> wrote:
>Stan Brown wrote:
>> When images are suppressed, show an outline (or at least an icon), 
>> and show the ALT text.
>
>This happens already.

Not that I've seen. Maybe you use a different version?

For example, on the Internet Movie Database there's just a blank 
space for images from another IMDB server -- no way to distinguish 
it visually from white space intended by the designer. Same on 
washintonpost.com too.

This occurs when I have "accept images from same server" checked -- 
maybe it's different if I forbid all images, but it's hard to see 
why it should be.

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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
                                        http://OakRoadSystems.com
"In its default setup, Windows XP on the Internet amounts to a car
parked in a bad part of town, with the doors unlocked, the key in
the ignition and a Post-It note on the dashboard saying, 'Please
don't steal this.'"                -- Washington Post, 24 Aug 2003
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M Cowperthwaite | 3 Sep 2003 18:44

Re: Improved image handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

Stan Brown wrote:

> In article <UD75b.82990$2k4.798480 <at> news.chello.at> in 
> netscape.public.mozilla.general, Christian Biesinger 
> <cbiesinger <at> web.de> wrote:
> 
>>Stan Brown wrote:
>>
>>>When images are suppressed, show an outline (or at least an icon), 
>>>and show the ALT text.
>>
>>This happens already.
> 
> 
> Not that I've seen. Maybe you use a different version?
> 
> For example, on the Internet Movie Database there's just a blank 
> space for images from another IMDB server -- no way to distinguish 
> it visually from white space intended by the designer. Same on 
> washintonpost.com too.
> 
> This occurs when I have "accept images from same server" checked -- 
> maybe it's different if I forbid all images, but it's hard to see 
> why it should be.

This is a design decision; *blocked* images (i.e., those from 3rd party 
servers with your pref setting) are not to be displayed at all.  See:
   http://mecha.mozilla.org/webtools/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=180620
and the referenced
   http://www.hixie.ch/specs/alttext
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Stan Brown | 4 Sep 2003 04:50

Re: Improved image handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

In article <bj553c$qbt1 <at> ripley.netscape.com> in 
netscape.public.mozilla.general, M Cowperthwaite <mcow <at> ZtoastZ.net> 
wrote:
>Stan Brown wrote:
>
>> In article <UD75b.82990$2k4.798480 <at> news.chello.at> in 
>> netscape.public.mozilla.general, Christian Biesinger 
>> <cbiesinger <at> web.de> wrote:
>> 
>>>Stan Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>>When images are suppressed, show an outline (or at least an icon), 
>>>>and show the ALT text.
>>>
>>>This happens already.
>> 
>> 
>> Not that I've seen. Maybe you use a different version?
>> 
>> For example, on the Internet Movie Database there's just a blank 
>> space for images from another IMDB server -- no way to distinguish 
>> it visually from white space intended by the designer. Same on 
>> washintonpost.com too.
>> 
>> This occurs when I have "accept images from same server" checked -- 
>> maybe it's different if I forbid all images, but it's hard to see 
>> why it should be.
>
>This is a design decision; *blocked* images (i.e., those from 3rd party 
>servers with your pref setting) are not to be displayed at all.  See:
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Christian Biesinger | 4 Sep 2003 11:56
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Re: Popup handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

Stan Brown wrote:
> In 1.4 the same thing doesn't work -- I get no popup after clicking.

That would be a bug.
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Christian Biesinger | 4 Sep 2003 11:55
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Re: Improved image handling (Re: More user-friendly 1.4.1 - suggestions wanted)

Stan Brown wrote:
> This occurs when I have "accept images from same server" checked -- 
> maybe it's different if I forbid all images, but it's hard to see 
> why it should be.

Ah. That could be.
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Juan Jansen | 4 Sep 2003 14:10
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Win64 Build for Opteron and Athlon64 soon?

Will there be a release for AMD64 cpu's soon??

is there a beta somewere?
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