Re: Incorrect passphrase because of character encoding

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Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>> You can -- as long as you ONLY use Enigmail (but I would not recommend
>> this).
Why not?
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Re: Incorrect passphrase because of character encoding

Andrew Berg wrote:
> Patrick Brunschwig wrote:
>>> You can -- as long as you ONLY use Enigmail (but I would not recommend
>>> this).
> Why not?

Because you won't be able to use your key on the command line or with
other GnuPG frontends.

-Patrick

feature request: don't ask for passphrase before click on "decrypt"-button

hi!

sometimes you just don't want to decrypt messages but e.g sort them or
even copy the encrypted content. or you just don't want to type your
passphrase right now that Mr. Spy is standing behind you.

if you turn *off* automatic decryption, messages will not be decrypted,
even if you have provided the passphrase, so you have to click the
decrypt button every time. that's ok.

on the other hand, if you turned *on* automatic decryption, you will be
asked to provide the password every single time you click on an
encrypted mail and have to hit ESC or click cancel. that's an irritating
behaviour.

for convenience enigmail should ask for the passphrase *only* when the
decrypt-button is pressed, even if automatic decryption is turned on.

regards

niclas

Re: feature request: don't ask for passphrase before click on "decrypt"-button

Hi,

> for convenience enigmail should ask for the passphrase *only* when the
> decrypt-button is pressed, even if automatic decryption is turned on.

for convenience, enigmail should not request users to press another button
but transparently decrypt as it is now. So I vote the above feature request
if at all to be a separately (hidden?) configurable power user feature since
most ordinary users won't need it.

Olav

Re: feature request: don't ask for passphrase before click on "decrypt"-button

Olav Seyfarth wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> for convenience enigmail should ask for the passphrase *only* when the
>> decrypt-button is pressed, even if automatic decryption is turned on.
> 
> for convenience, enigmail should not request users to press another button
> but transparently decrypt as it is now. So I vote the above feature request
> if at all to be a separately (hidden?) configurable power user feature since
> most ordinary users won't need it.

I concur!  The whole purpose of Automatic Decrypt is to save having to
click another button.  The solution is best handled by turning OFF the
Auto Decrypt function and then using the Decrypt button *each* time if
this is the desired behavior.  If one truly enjoys re-typing the
passphrase _every_ time, turn OFF passphrase 'remember' as well.

JOHN 
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Re: feature request: don't ask for passphrase before click on "decrypt"-button

Am 04.07.2006 14:21 schrieb John W. Moore III:
> Olav Seyfarth wrote:
>   
>>> for convenience enigmail should ask for the passphrase *only* when the
>>> decrypt-button is pressed, even if automatic decryption is turned on.
>>>       
>> for convenience, enigmail should not request users to press another button
>> but transparently decrypt as it is now.
i'm not sure if you're getting this right.

we are talking about a single button press (first time!) versus a
million popup-windows asking you to press escape or finally switch off
automatic decryption in the menus, which is definitely not convenient.
>>  So I vote the above feature request
>> if at all to be a separately (hidden?) configurable power user feature since
>> most ordinary users won't need it.
>>     
it could be added to the advanced settings tab, but as i said, we're
talking about the first click only.

to explain it again, the desired behaviour is as follows:

1. automatic decrypt. is turned *off*.
- known behaviour.
2. automatic decrypt. is turned *on*.
- i click on a message which is encrypted.
a) enigmail knows my passphrase
- known behaviour.
b) enigmail doesn't know my passphrase.
- enigmail tells me in the little bar above the message header info that

Re: feature request: don't ask for passphrase before click on "decrypt"-button

Am 05.07.2006 05:26 schrieb John W. Moore III:
> niclas wrote:
>   
>> Am 04.07.2006 16:43 schrieb John W. Moore III:
>>     
>>>> no, this is not desired. my desire is to get rid of the irritating
>>>> pop-up UNTIL i provide my passphrase. this is good interaction design.
>>>> popups are considered harmful.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> You lost Me...what "pop-ups" are you referring to?  Either the
>>> passphrase is stored or not...the only pop-up I know of is to enter the
>>> passphrase.
>>>   
>>>       
>> i am talking about the popup that appears when i click on a message. it
>> asks for the passphrase. if i don't want to enter it, i will have to
>> press ESC. but the next time i click on an encrypted message, it pops up
>> again. and again and...
>>     
>
> If you disable the Auto Decrypt Feature then Enigmail won't care and the
> email will Open in encrypted format.
i don't really want to disable autodecrypt. it's two mouseclicks.

> The 'pop-up' will *only* appear
> whenever you click Decrypt.  You may then look at eh Encrypted message
> and either leave if marked as 'Read' or change it to Un-Read and wait
> until later.
>   

Re: global extension mess

Because of this problem, I filed a bug in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342703

and there I mentioned your suggestion and my result:

"On the Enigmail mailing list, it was suggested that I delete
'extensions.rdf'.
Doing so lets the old extensions disappear, but the new one does not appear."

Kind regards,
Viktor.

On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 08:34 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote:
> Andrew Berg wrote: 
> > Viktor Horvath wrote:
> >   
> > > (d) When I log onto that new machine, I only have the old, outgreyed
> > > extensions. It says they would be deinstalled the next time I started
> > > Thunderbird, but that never happens, the situation remains the same no
> > > matter how often I start Thunderbird. 
> > >   
> > >     
> > Go to the Thunderbird directory and delete extensions.rdf. This file
> > gets messed up sometimes (usually in Firefox, though), so simply delete
> > it, and Thunderbird will rebuild it.
> > 
> >   
> Oh, I forgot to add that Thunderbird should be closed when you do
> this. Thunderbird will rebuild it on startup after it has been
> deleted.

Re: global extension mess

Viktor Horvath wrote:
> Because of this problem, I filed a bug in
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342703
>
> and there I mentioned your suggestion and my result:
>
> "On the Enigmail mailing list, it was suggested that I delete
> 'extensions.rdf'.
> Doing so lets the old extensions disappear, but the new one does not appear."
>
> Kind regards,
> Viktor.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 08:34 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote:
>   
>> Andrew Berg wrote: 
>>     
>>> Viktor Horvath wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> (d) When I log onto that new machine, I only have the old, outgreyed
>>>> extensions. It says they would be deinstalled the next time I started
>>>> Thunderbird, but that never happens, the situation remains the same no
>>>> matter how often I start Thunderbird. 
>>>>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Go to the Thunderbird directory and delete extensions.rdf. This file

Re: global extension mess

On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 14:25 -0500, Andrew Berg wrote:
[...]
> Try reinstalling the extension. If that doesn't work, then I don't know
> what the problem could be.

I already did that several times... of course I could get it working
somehow *for me*, but we have some thousand users, and even if only a
minor part of them uses Thunderbird extensions, I want to have a
reliable solution; I can't reinstall global extensions each time
someone's extension.rdf is messed up. Thanks for your answers; we'll se
what the bug in bugzilla does, and I'll write a tutorial for my users
"how to install enigmail as your (local) extension".

Best wishes,
Viktor.

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