how did Hala seek the exit about the dark can

phil knight had a dream.  he'd sell shoes.
                          he'd sell dreams.
                          he'd get RICH.
                          he'd use sweatshops if he had to.

THEN along came the new shoe.  PLAIN.SIMPLE.CHEAP.FAIR.

designed for only one thing, kicking phil's ass.

                          the unswoosher, find out more >

          http://www.blackspotsneaker.org/afterindex2.html

cheers, Zamfir U. MacVicar

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Captain I. MacEdwards | 4 Dec 2003 03:14

many clean gardner or summer, and she'll admiringly creep everybody

Captain I. MacEdwards <ezarwyvi <at> puxsy.ct.us>
2003-12-04 02:14:26 GMT

phil knight had a dream.  he'd sell shoes.
                          he'd sell dreams.
                          he'd get RICH.
                          he'd use sweatshops if he had to.

THEN along came the new shoe.  PLAIN.SIMPLE.CHEAP.FAIR.

designed for only one thing, kicking phil's ass.

                          the unswoosher, find out more >

          http://www.blackspotsneaker.org/afterindex2.html

cheers, Captain I. MacEdwards

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Brig.Harvey.Rosenthal | 4 Dec 2003 05:47

the forks, figs, and tyrants are all active and cosmetic

<Brig.Harvey.Rosenthal <at> mozilla.org>
2003-12-04 04:47:54 GMT

phil knight had a dream.  he'd sell shoes.
                          he'd sell dreams.
                          he'd get RICH.
                          he'd use sweatshops if he had to.

THEN along came the new shoe.  PLAIN.SIMPLE.CHEAP.FAIR.

designed for only one thing, kicking phil's ass.

                          the unswoosher, find out more >

          http://www.blackspotsneaker.org/afterindex2.html

cheers, Brig. Harvey Rosenthal, Esq.

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Charlie Cook | 18 Dec 2003 10:42

Talkback builds - are they any use?

Charlie Cook <Noemail <at> duetoallthespamonthisgroup.com>
2003-12-18 09:42:58 GMT

I don't know if it's even worth asking here, but:
   do the talkback builds provide worthwhile data?

I also notice that they only seem to exist for the pre-release versions 
of Mozilla.
Why not have a talkback build for the current stable version(1.5) ? The 
crashes which come from those are undoubtedly the most difficult to 
track down - or else due to hardware, etc.

Sorry about the lack of email address, but in view of all the nonsense 
in this group...

Charlie

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Jon Wichman | 18 Dec 2003 13:05

Re: Talkback builds - are they any use?

Jon Wichman <jwichman <at> marktwain.net>
2003-12-18 12:05:34 GMT

 >I don't know if it's even worth asking here, but:
 >do the talkback builds provide worthwhile data?

I think that's a good question!

I have had two talkback crashes, which for unknown reasons, it was 
unable to send in -
although it kept trying like heck.

I sent mail, checked the faq and, perhaps even logged it (it was a couple of
months so, I'm not certain off-hand whether or not I logged it).

I never got an answer back on how to send it or anything.
Not even so much as a "yes", "no", or a "go to hell from" anyone.

I'd guess they're not much use?

Jon

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Tom Cumming | 19 Dec 2003 14:45

Re: Talkback builds - are they any use?

Tom Cumming <me <at> privacy.net>
2003-12-19 13:45:13 GMT

On 18/12/2003 12:05, Jon Wichman wrote:

> I'd guess they're not much use?

The website seems to think they are - it clearly states on the 
download page to use a talkback build whereever possible. It also 
means if you are reporting a bug to Bugzilla you can give a 
talkback ID to provide some additional information.

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Tom Cumming

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Thomas Ditmars | 21 Dec 2003 07:33

Re: Talkback builds - are they any use?

Thomas Ditmars <no <at> valid.email>
2003-12-21 06:33:52 GMT

Charlie Cook wrote on 18 Dec 03 04:42:

> I don't know if it's even worth asking here, but: do the talkback 
> builds provide worthwhile data?
> 
> I also notice that they only seem to exist for the pre-release 
> versions of Mozilla. Why not have a talkback build for the current 
> stable version(1.5) ? The crashes which come from those are 
> undoubtedly the most difficult to track down - or else due to 
> hardware, etc.
> 
> 
> Sorry about the lack of email address, but in view of all the 
> nonsense in this group...

I forget where I read it, but here's the (un-?)official story as I
understand it:

The old Talkback servers were located on the group set aside for
Netscape, by AOL. As of a while ago, Mozilla no longer has access to
those servers, because AOL dissolved it's Netscape division, and those
servers were not part of the agreement between AOL and the Mozilla
Foundation.

Until new servers can be set up for Talkback by Mozilla or a donator,
the Talkback capability of Mozilla has been removed.
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Thomas Ditmars
KeyID: 0x6425C4ED
<http://www.zarggg.net/>

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Thomas Ditmars | 21 Dec 2003 07:48

Re: Talkback builds - are they any use?

Thomas Ditmars <no <at> valid.email>
2003-12-21 06:48:13 GMT

Thomas Ditmars wrote on 21 Dec 03 01:33:

> Charlie Cook wrote on 18 Dec 03 04:42:
> 
>> I don't know if it's even worth asking here, but: do the talkback 
>> builds provide worthwhile data?
>> 
>> I also notice that they only seem to exist for the pre-release 
>> versions of Mozilla. Why not have a talkback build for the current
>>  stable version(1.5) ? The crashes which come from those are 
>> undoubtedly the most difficult to track down - or else due to 
>> hardware, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry about the lack of email address, but in view of all the 
>> nonsense in this group...
> 
> I forget where I read it, but here's the (un-?)official story as I 
> understand it:
> 
> The old Talkback servers were located on the group set aside for 
> Netscape, by AOL. As of a while ago, Mozilla no longer has access to 
> those servers, because AOL dissolved it's Netscape division, and
> those servers were not part of the agreement between AOL and the
> Mozilla Foundation.
> 
> Until new servers can be set up for Talkback by Mozilla or a donator,
> the Talkback capability of Mozilla has been removed.

Follow-up, since I just read the December 15 staff meeting notes. From

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Charlie Cook | 22 Dec 2003 19:34

Re: Talkback builds - are they any use?

Charlie Cook <Noemail <at> duetoallthespamonthisgroup.com>
2003-12-22 18:34:25 GMT

Thanks,

I'll keep an eye out for new talkback builds.
It'd be nice to be able to supply some useful feedback - might reduce 
the frustration of seeing my mozilla vanish...

Charlie

Thomas Ditmars wrote:
> 
> Follow-up, since I just read the December 15 staff meeting notes. From
> Gerv's writeup
> (<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3FE2B080.1000006 <at> mozilla.org>):
> 
> 
>>*Talkback*
>>
>>- Talkback collector machine arrives Xmas week or the week after
>>- We have two database servers already in the rack
>>- It'll be six machines in total
> 
> 
> Hope this is useful to you!

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gato2002 | 25 Dec 2003 17:41

Firebird 0.7 crash with Java 1.4.2

gato2002 <gato2002SINESTO <at> vtr.net>
2003-12-25 16:41:53 GMT

When i tried to log in yahoo groups, java don't finish load the applet 
chat and Firebird crashed in closing.
which  version of Firebird revolve the problem above.

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