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jlindblom | 1 Aug 2005 15:38

The Migration Question Again


I'm once again back to the "Should we migrate from NetWare to Windows"
question.

We are a NetWare and Windows shop with two NetWare servers handling File
and Print services, one at this location and another at a small remote
office and several Windows servers handling applications.  The concern is
the ability to try and manage both Windows/AD and NetWare/eDir as these to
NOS's are getting more complex, we are a small company with a couple of
people trying to manage everything and it's getting more and more difficult
to handle both systems.

Anyone currently going through a migration that would like to share the
experience that would help us make the decision to migrate or not.

John
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Joe Acquisto | 1 Aug 2005 16:25
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Re: The Migration Question Again

>I'm once again back to the "Should we migrate from NetWare to Windows"
>question.
>
>We are a NetWare and Windows shop with two NetWare servers handling File
>and Print services, one at this location and another at a small remote
>office and several Windows servers handling applications.  The concern is
>the ability to try and manage both Windows/AD and NetWare/eDir as these to
>NOS's are getting more complex, we are a small company with a couple of
>people trying to manage everything and it's getting more and more difficult
>to handle both systems.
>

Perhaps the question should be, why use applications that are tied to Windows?

Why not examine applications that run on Linux, or create apps that do?

joea
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Mike Ossing | 1 Aug 2005 16:36

Drive mapping errors

Hello,

Did the Migration to NW 6.5 from 5.1, this wknd. All went successfully, but after users log in, their drive
mappings are no longer valid. 

Some, on W2K machines, with 4.83 client, can "end run" this by drilling down through Network Places to the
desired folders.

No one on XP machines, with 4.90/4.91 client (w/updates) can see anything. It's all Network path not found,
or drive inaccessible.

Licensing is in place, it appears trustee info was carried over correctly with the Mig Wiz.

I would appreciate any suggestions.

Also, could you reply directly, as I get the digest of this and the powers that be are breathing down my neck<g>.

Thanks,

Mike Ossing
IT Mgr
Rodem, Inc.
513-922-6140 x147

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Brett McKeachnie | 1 Aug 2005 16:55

Re: Drive mapping errors

Maybe an SLP problem?

Brett

>>> mossing <at> rodem.com wrote on 8/1/2005 8:36 AM:
> Hello,
> 
> Did the Migration to NW 6.5 from 5.1, this wknd. All went successfully, 
> but after users log in, their drive mappings are no longer valid. 
> 
> Some, on W2K machines, with 4.83 client, can "end run" this by drilling 
> down through Network Places to the desired folders.
> 
> No one on XP machines, with 4.90/4.91 client (w/updates) can see 
> anything. It's all Network path not found, or drive inaccessible.
> 
> Licensing is in place, it appears trustee info was carried over 
> correctly with the Mig Wiz.
> 
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> Also, could you reply directly, as I get the digest of this and the 
> powers that be are breathing down my neck<g>.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike Ossing
> IT Mgr
> Rodem, Inc.
> 513-922-6140 x147
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Joe Pampel | 1 Aug 2005 17:18

Re: The Migration Question Again

If you're a small shop, all the more reason to stick with Netware IMHO.
1 - Cost is far lower. 1 license per user across as many servers as you
have.. and free server licenses. Netware is also a lot more efficient in
it's use of hardware than Windows. (you can do more with less) You can
build 2-node clusters (as many as you want) for free using iSCSI.
NetStorare and iFolder give low cost & simple "anywhere" file access
without the need or costs of VPN or the security issues of RDP. The next
version of iFolder (which will only run on SuSE/OES) will let you take
any folder and "iFolder-ize" it as well as have multiple iFolder
accounts so you can share accounts with co-workers. Our folks love
iFolder and NetStorage. Windows "offline folders" is not even close. We
run a 4-location company with 2 people in no small part thanks to
Netware. (80+ desktops, 20+ servers) Zenworks for imaging and app
distribution, GroupWise for mail and calendering. 
2 - Clear migration path to Linux should you find that a desireable
direction (I do)  Or would you rather keep sending more and more money
to Redmond?  Do you really feel it's fair to charge per user per server?
More to the point, from a business perspective, what solves your
business problems? The OS or the apps? If you're like me, the apps are
the "value added" in having an IT infrastructure. Why pay through the
nose for the OS? Windows is not an IT solution as much as an IT problem
too often. The bloated monolithic code creates problems for itself. Have
you ever had to re-install Netware? How about Windows? I've never had to
re-install Netware, and yes, I have had to re-install windows many times
on servers and PC's in order to fix problems. MSFT policy demands
reinstalls in certain situations (spyware on a server for ex).  Why do
people tolerate reboots and rebuilds and constant "critical" patching? 
3 - You have the expertise on staff already
4 - Servers are fully manageable over the web via any browser or by
SSH.
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jlindblom | 2 Aug 2005 15:58

Re: The Migration Question Again


To eliminate applications that require a windows server would severely
limit the available options.  I don't have the power to say don't look at
anything that runs on Windows.

Usually groups are assembled from different area's of the company to
research and evaluate applications for a specific requirement.  The goal is
to find the application that best fits the needs of the company.  That's
why most companies have Windows in the environment, not necessarily by IT
choice but an overall company decision.

John

                                                                           
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Larry Burd | 2 Aug 2005 16:35

HP jet admin

I'm a little behind the times.... please forgive me..

We have 3 HP lasers that are running off the internal print servers, with 
jet admin, using IPX.
it  has been running flawlessly for many many years.  HP 4000, and 4100's.
they have been running so long, I have lost my copy of Jet admin that must 
have been on my old win 98 computer.. that got retired.

The hp4000 has broken down, and I need to move some queue's around, and 
reorganize.  But honestly, I forgot what I did 5-10 years ago, and I see jet 
admin is long discontinued.

We are running a 5.1 server with IPX  only !  and couldn't be happier. 
mostly XP & W2K workstations.   and all our printers are still on the old 
fashion queue based printing...    so what do you guys recommend.... as I 
have to buy a new printer for the network.....

Larry Burd
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Orde, Angus | 2 Aug 2005 16:42
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RE: HP jet admin

Although Jetadmin may be unavailable, you could use "Web Jetadmin".

Cheers,

Angus Orde 

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Burd [mailto:larry <at> ladyburd.com] 
Sent: 02 August 2005 15:35
To: novell <at> netlab1.usu.edu
Subject: HP jet admin

I'm a little behind the times.... please forgive me..

We have 3 HP lasers that are running off the internal print servers,
with 
jet admin, using IPX.
it  has been running flawlessly for many many years.  HP 4000, and
4100's.
they have been running so long, I have lost my copy of Jet admin that
must 
have been on my old win 98 computer.. that got retired.

The hp4000 has broken down, and I need to move some queue's around, and 
reorganize.  But honestly, I forgot what I did 5-10 years ago, and I see
jet 
admin is long discontinued.

We are running a 5.1 server with IPX  only !  and couldn't be happier. 
mostly XP & W2K workstations.   and all our printers are still on the
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Chad Leeper | 2 Aug 2005 16:43
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Re: HP jet admin

Jet admin has been replace with web jet admin.  Do a search on Hp's site to find the download link.
If you do not have a business need to move to ip then stay with ipx.  Be aware that when you do upgrade your
5.1 server you will most likely need to switch to ip printing via iprint.  Also not all network ready HP
printers are created equal.
Just because an HP printer comes with network support it does not mean that it will work with Novell.
It must specifically say that it is compatible with Novell.

/Chad

>>> larry <at> ladyburd.com 8/2/05 9:35 AM >>>
I'm a little behind the times.... please forgive me..

We have 3 HP lasers that are running off the internal print servers, with 
jet admin, using IPX.
it  has been running flawlessly for many many years.  HP 4000, and 4100's.
they have been running so long, I have lost my copy of Jet admin that must 
have been on my old win 98 computer.. that got retired.

The hp4000 has broken down, and I need to move some queue's around, and 
reorganize.  But honestly, I forgot what I did 5-10 years ago, and I see jet 
admin is long discontinued.

We are running a 5.1 server with IPX  only !  and couldn't be happier. 
mostly XP & W2K workstations.   and all our printers are still on the old 
fashion queue based printing...    so what do you guys recommend.... as I 
have to buy a new printer for the network.....

Larry Burd 

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Joseph Haynes | 2 Aug 2005 17:06
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Re: The Migration Question Again

Everything Joe P. said. Use eDir and IDM to sync your AD stuff. Use AD as sparingly as possible.

Joe

>>> Joe <at> ardsley.com 08/01/05 11:18 AM >>>
If you're a small shop, all the more reason to stick with Netware IMHO.
1 - Cost is far lower. 1 license per user across as many servers as you
have.. and free server licenses. Netware is also a lot more efficient in
it's use of hardware than Windows. (you can do more with less) You can
build 2-node clusters (as many as you want) for free using iSCSI.
NetStorare and iFolder give low cost & simple "anywhere" file access
without the need or costs of VPN or the security issues of RDP. The next
version of iFolder (which will only run on SuSE/OES) will let you take
any folder and "iFolder-ize" it as well as have multiple iFolder
accounts so you can share accounts with co-workers. Our folks love
iFolder and NetStorage. Windows "offline folders" is not even close. We
run a 4-location company with 2 people in no small part thanks to
Netware. (80+ desktops, 20+ servers) Zenworks for imaging and app
distribution, GroupWise for mail and calendering. 
2 - Clear migration path to Linux should you find that a desireable
direction (I do)  Or would you rather keep sending more and more money
to Redmond?  Do you really feel it's fair to charge per user per server?
More to the point, from a business perspective, what solves your
business problems? The OS or the apps? If you're like me, the apps are
the "value added" in having an IT infrastructure. Why pay through the
nose for the OS? Windows is not an IT solution as much as an IT problem
too often. The bloated monolithic code creates problems for itself. Have
you ever had to re-install Netware? How about Windows? I've never had to
re-install Netware, and yes, I have had to re-install windows many times
on servers and PC's in order to fix problems. MSFT policy demands
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