Jason Parlevliet | 5 Dec 2006 05:31
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BM and whereis.com

Hey there

I have BorderManager, behind Squid/Dans, and whenever anyone tries to go to http://www.whereis.com.au
they get a page that says
*******
You are using a browser that we do not support, so some features of the site may not function correctly.

Please be aware of this limitation as you use the site, or visit one of these companies for a free upgrade:

If you choose to continue, this page will only be displayed once, unless you delete your cookies.
www.mozilla.org 
www.microsoft.com 

Continue
********

This is regardless of the browser used, and clicking continue takes you to 403 Forbidden You don't have
permission to access /whereisnull.do on this server.

If I bypass BM and go through the squid/dans server, I don't get the warning at all and it works fine.

Can anyone else reproduce that problem?  Any ideas where to start looking?  I'm guessing BorderManager
identifies itself as a certain user agent or something?

Jase

Michael Mollard | 5 Dec 2006 06:06
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Re: BM and whereis.com

Behind BM 3.8 here, and FF2.0 works fine with www.wheris.com.au 

Michael Mollard
Information Systems Administrator
molm <at> cvxmck.edu.au
Clairvaux MacKillop College
Brisbane Australia.
http://www.cvxmck.edu.au
Ph 07 33474607 (direct) / 07 33498977 
Fax 07 3349 5677

>>> 
From: 	"Jason Parlevliet" <Parle-Ja <at> oxley.vic.edu.au>
To:	<novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au>
Date: 	5/12/2006 3:04 pm
Subject: 	[NovellSchools] BM and whereis.com

Hey there

I have BorderManager, behind Squid/Dans, and whenever anyone tries to go to http://www.whereis.com.au
they get a page that says
*******
You are using a browser that we do not support, so some features of the site may not function correctly.

Please be aware of this limitation as you use the site, or visit one of these companies for a free upgrade:

If you choose to continue, this page will only be displayed once, unless you delete your cookies.
www.mozilla.org 
www.microsoft.com 

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Jamie Clarke | 5 Dec 2006 06:31
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RE: BM and whereis.com

BM 3.8 all patched here and I don't get this problem.

Jamie Clarke
Certified Novell Engineer 6
Sunnybank State High School
Ph 3323 8127  Fax 3323 8100
-----Original Message-----
From: novellschools-bounces <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au
[mailto:novellschools-bounces <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au] On Behalf Of Jason
Parlevliet
Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 2:31 PM
To: novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au
Subject: [NovellSchools] BM and whereis.com

Hey there

I have BorderManager, behind Squid/Dans, and whenever anyone tries to go to
http://www.whereis.com.au they get a page that says
*******
You are using a browser that we do not support, so some features of the site
may not function correctly.

Please be aware of this limitation as you use the site, or visit one of
these companies for a free upgrade:

If you choose to continue, this page will only be displayed once, unless you
delete your cookies.
www.mozilla.org 
www.microsoft.com 

(Continue reading)

Scott Robinson | 6 Dec 2006 06:09
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Video Monitoring of Labs

Hi all,

Is anyone monitoring their computing labs (or other classrooms) by
video? We have a fair amount of theft and damage (and don't get me
started about how little some teachers supervise or care what is going
on in their classes...) so it seems one way of catching some culprits.

I'm interested in how you did it, and whether you had any issues about
privacy or people concerned with being monitored, and how you may have
dealt with it. I'm guessing some sort of  written policy.

Thanks in advance,

Scott

Michael Mollard | 6 Dec 2006 06:23
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Re: Video Monitoring of Labs

Installing cameras as we speak into computer labs.  No real discussion about privacy etc.  It's for
damage/theft control.  It's being tied into the whole school security system.
Students are already monitored during the day by same system, across school.

Michael Mollard
Information Systems Administrator
molm <at> cvxmck.edu.au
Clairvaux MacKillop College
Brisbane Australia.
http://www.cvxmck.edu.au
Ph 07 33474607 (direct) / 07 33498977 
Fax 07 3349 5677

>>> 
From: 	"Scott Robinson" <scottlist <at> tss.qld.edu.au>
To:	"'Novell Schools'" <novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au>
Date: 	6/12/2006 3:12 pm
Subject: 	[NovellSchools] Video Monitoring of Labs

Hi all,

Is anyone monitoring their computing labs (or other classrooms) by
video? We have a fair amount of theft and damage (and don't get me
started about how little some teachers supervise or care what is going
on in their classes...) so it seems one way of catching some culprits.

I'm interested in how you did it, and whether you had any issues about
privacy or people concerned with being monitored, and how you may have
dealt with it. I'm guessing some sort of  written policy.

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Peter Cruickshank | 7 Dec 2006 00:06
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Re: Video Monitoring of Labs

Scott,

Yep, we do& I reckon it's been worth it.  You nail a dozen or so kids and they realize that the only way they got caught was the video & they slowly get the message.  Caught a kid pinching a mobile phone one day, but it's scary seeing what goes on in some classes. :-)   It also works well for students logging in as other students and doing inappropriate things - you can see what kid actually logged in to a particular computer.

There are two different systems -
  • a standalone DVR box with an large hdd.  You can buy a box that connects to 4 ($950) or 8 cameras (about $1600)
  • a PC with a special multipoint TV tuner that allows multiple cameras to be connected. Card costs from $550 to $1800
Cameras are about $290 each, but infrared ones cost more (need IR emitters).  You also need power supplies, fake cameras, "smoke detectors" to hide the cameras in, cable etc.

The box method is very simple to set up but has disadvantages low quality images, hard to seek incidents (like searching in a VHS system), very short record duration, you have to connect a TV to the box to view what's happened. 

The PC of course gives you as much control as you want.  We record at 5 fps and then jump to15 fps when motion is detected.  To search, you drag a rectangle over the damaged area and you fast forward until there is motion within that rectangle.  We have 7 cameras going at the moment, and the past 8 days recording takes up 218 Gb

As far as the privacy issues are concerned, PROVIDED you advise that covert video surveillance is going on, it's OK.  However, you are NOT allowed to record audio!

We dealt with OzSpy & they seem to have most bases covered - they can show you the cameras in action.  However, their manager is a bit of a dinosaur and tries to sell the box version rather than the PC one - he hasn't caught on that computers are useful!


Scott Robinson wrote:
Hi all, Is anyone monitoring their computing labs (or other classrooms) by video? We have a fair amount of theft and damage (and don't get me started about how little some teachers supervise or care what is going on in their classes...) so it seems one way of catching some culprits. I'm interested in how you did it, and whether you had any issues about privacy or people concerned with being monitored, and how you may have dealt with it. I'm guessing some sort of written policy. Thanks in advance, Scott _______________________________________________ NovellSchools mailing list NovellSchools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au http://lists.redlands.qld.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/novellschools


-- Cheers & Beers Cruickers
<div>
Scott,<br><br>
Yep, we do&amp; I reckon it's been worth it.&nbsp; You nail a dozen or so
kids and they realize that the only way they got caught was the video
&amp; they slowly get the message.&nbsp; Caught a kid pinching a mobile
phone one day, but it's scary seeing what goes on in some classes.<span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-)&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span>It also works well
for students logging in as other students and doing inappropriate
things - you can see what kid actually logged in to a particular
computer.<br><br>
There are two different systems - <br><ul>
<li>a standalone DVR box with an large hdd.&nbsp; You can buy a box that
connects to 4 ($950) or 8 cameras (about $1600)<br>
</li>
  <li>a PC with a special multipoint TV tuner that allows multiple
cameras to be connected. Card costs from $550 to $1800</li>
</ul>
Cameras are about $290 each, but infrared ones cost more (need IR
emitters).&nbsp; You also need power supplies, fake cameras, "smoke
detectors" to hide the cameras in, cable etc.<br><br>
The box method is very simple to set up but has disadvantages low
quality images, hard to seek incidents (like searching in a VHS
system), very short record duration, you have to connect a TV to the
box to view what's happened.&nbsp; <br><br>
The PC of course gives you as much control as you want.&nbsp; We record at 5
fps and then jump to15 fps when motion is detected.&nbsp; To search, you
drag a rectangle over the damaged area and you fast forward until there
is motion within that rectangle.&nbsp; We have 7 cameras going at the
moment, and the past 8 days recording takes up 218 Gb<br><br>
As far as the privacy issues are concerned, PROVIDED you advise that
covert video surveillance is going on, it's OK.&nbsp; However, you are NOT
allowed to record audio!<br><br>
We dealt with OzSpy &amp; they seem to have most bases covered - they
can show you the cameras in action.&nbsp;
However, their manager is a bit of a dinosaur and tries to sell the
box version rather than the PC one - he hasn't caught on that computers
are useful!<br><br><br>
Scott Robinson wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid4576DD72.BF70.0076.0 <at> tss.qld.edu.au" type="cite">
  Hi all,

Is anyone monitoring their computing labs (or other classrooms) by
video? We have a fair amount of theft and damage (and don't get me
started about how little some teachers supervise or care what is going
on in their classes...) so it seems one way of catching some culprits.

I'm interested in how you did it, and whether you had any issues about
privacy or people concerned with being monitored, and how you may have
dealt with it. I'm guessing some sort of  written policy.

Thanks in advance,

Scott

_______________________________________________
NovellSchools mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NovellSchools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au">NovellSchools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.redlands.qld.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/novellschools">http://lists.redlands.qld.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/novellschools</a>

  
</blockquote>
<br><br>-- 
Cheers &amp; Beers

Cruickers
</div>
Scott Robinson | 7 Dec 2006 04:33
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Re: Video Monitoring of Labs

Thanks Peter and Michael for your comments. We're testing a DVR solution
which is easier to install and manage than a PC solution. There's less
to go wrong it seems with a dedicated unit. We'd need about seven DVRs
here to cover the campus, and we can use a Manager-of-Managers type
application to view them all simultaneously. We looked at IP cameras but
over many labs the bandwidth would be excessive back to the central
station.

Our biggest issue though is not technical, but rather will be
resistance from staff who think we (or the school Admin) are monitoring
them.

Cheers,
Scott

>>> Peter Cruickshank <cruipe <at> internal.nyandashs.eq.edu.au> 7/12/2006
9:06 am >>>
Scott,

Yep, we do& I reckon it's been worth it.  You nail a dozen or so kids 
and they realize that the only way they got caught was the video & they

slowly get the message.  Caught a kid pinching a mobile phone one day,

but it's scary seeing what goes on in some classes. :-)   It also works

well for students logging in as other students and doing inappropriate

things - you can see what kid actually logged in to a particular
computer.

There are two different systems -

    * a standalone DVR box with an large hdd.  You can buy a box that
      connects to 4 ($950) or 8 cameras (about $1600)
    * a PC with a special multipoint TV tuner that allows multiple
      cameras to be connected. Card costs from $550 to $1800

Cameras are about $290 each, but infrared ones cost more (need IR 
emitters).  You also need power supplies, fake cameras, "smoke 
detectors" to hide the cameras in, cable etc.

The box method is very simple to set up but has disadvantages low 
quality images, hard to seek incidents (like searching in a VHS
system), 
very short record duration, you have to connect a TV to the box to view

what's happened. 

The PC of course gives you as much control as you want.  We record at 5

fps and then jump to15 fps when motion is detected.  To search, you
drag 
a rectangle over the damaged area and you fast forward until there is 
motion within that rectangle.  We have 7 cameras going at the moment, 
and the past 8 days recording takes up 218 Gb

As far as the privacy issues are concerned, PROVIDED you advise that 
covert video surveillance is going on, it's OK.  However, you are NOT 
allowed to record audio!

We dealt with OzSpy & they seem to have most bases covered - they can 
show you the cameras in action.  However, their manager is a bit of a 
dinosaur and tries to sell the box version rather than the PC one - he

hasn't caught on that computers are useful!

Scott Robinson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is anyone monitoring their computing labs (or other classrooms) by
> video? We have a fair amount of theft and damage (and don't get me
> started about how little some teachers supervise or care what is
going
> on in their classes...) so it seems one way of catching some
culprits.
>
> I'm interested in how you did it, and whether you had any issues
about
> privacy or people concerned with being monitored, and how you may
have
> dealt with it. I'm guessing some sort of  written policy.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> NovellSchools mailing list
> NovellSchools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au 
> http://lists.redlands.qld.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/novellschools 
>
>   

--

-- 
Cheers & Beers

Cruickers

Scott Robinson | 7 Dec 2006 04:46
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Robotics Olympiad

While I am online, our campus is the venue for the International
Robotics Olympiad. If you don't know about it, don't be surprised. I've
just discovered the the publicity machine has been woeful. Apparently
this is the first time this event has been held outside Korea/China and
they didn't plan for the amount of publicity they'd need.

Anyway, students from all over the world plus some Australian schools
are here competing. It runs till Friday. If any of you are down this way
then feel free to drop into our Centenary Centre and take a look.

I've got some info and you can follow links from
http://www.tss.qld.edu.au/events/iro/

Best regards,
Scott

Jason Parlevliet | 11 Dec 2006 00:45
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RE: BM and whereis.com

> BM 3.8 all patched here and I don't get this problem.

Thanks for the info guys. Went looking in Dans, fixed it by going into dansguardian.conf and turning on
these two options :

forwardedfor = on
usexforwardedfor = on

Jase

Solomon box | 11 Dec 2006 06:42
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Problems with SK50 and Zenworks 7 SP1

Hello All, 

We are having problems with the Acer Power SK50 Computers and Zenworks 7 SP1. 

Essentially the on-board NIC a Marvell Yukon 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit 
is not reconised by the Zenworks Imaging CD nor via the PXE Server. 

We have tried compiling the Marvell Yukon drivers as a module and loading them as well as using some
pre-compiled ones found on the Optima website, but neither way seems to detect the card.

Does anyone what we can do about this situation? Has anyone had this problem with their SK50 computers? 

Thanking you all in advance

Solomon Box
IT Service Desk Coordinator
IONA College 
Phone: 07-3906-8942
Fax: 07-3893-8800
Email: boxs <at> iona.qld.edu.au
Website: http://www.iona.qld.edu.au


Gmane