School-owned IP address range?

Hi all,

Has anyone out there successfully applied for and implemented their own
static IP address range?  By this i mean not a static address range that
you lease from your ISP, but one that you applied for as a school
directly from APNIC.

If so, how difficult and/or costly was this process?  I'd like to have
an address range that makes us a little more independent from our ISPs,
but i'm concerned that it will be a complex and/or costly exercise.

Thanks in advance,
Paul

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Re: School-owned IP address range?

We have 2 x Class C (203.x.x.x) address ranges, but I got them many
years ago.  Not sure about the process now.

Michael Mollard
Information Systems Administrator
molm <at> cvxmck.edu.au
Clairvaux MacKillop College
Brisbane Australia.
http://www.cvxmck.edu.au
Ph 07 33474607 (direct) / 07 33498977 
Fax 07 3349 5677

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From: pgear <at> redlands.qld.edu.au 
To:<novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au>,
<acscomputers <at> yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 3/04/2006 12:37 pm
Subject: [NovellSchools] School-owned IP address range?
Hi all,

Has anyone out there successfully applied for and implemented their
own
static IP address range?  By this i mean not a static address range
that
you lease from your ISP, but one that you applied for as a school
directly from APNIC.

If so, how difficult and/or costly was this process?  I'd like to have

Re: School-owned IP address range?

Hi Paul,
Because we received our address range before APNIC took on their role, we have to now pay a yearly US$99 fee to
APNIC to allow us to update historic database records. We can keep the range but need to pay this
"NON-member" membership fee to make changes to handles, etc... It is not hard to apply for the range
however, as I attended the APNIC training session in Melbourne a couple of months ago. I think though that
full members pay in the vicinity of $1000-2000 to APNIC per annum, a little expensive i thought,
especially for a school. And you do need to provide some documentation on what the range will be used for. If
you need any more info let me know.
Regards,
Ben.

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>>> pgear <at> redlands.qld.edu.au 3/04/2006 12:35 pm >>>
Hi all,

Has anyone out there successfully applied for and implemented their own
static IP address range?  By this i mean not a static address range that
you lease from your ISP, but one that you applied for as a school

Re: School-owned IP address range?

We also have our own Class C range - already implemented when I got here.
There isn't any ongoing costs as I have never received a bill.
Regards
Seamus

>>> MolM <at> cvxmck.edu.au 3/04/2006 12:39 pm >>>
We have 2 x Class C (203.x.x.x) address ranges, but I got them many
years ago.  Not sure about the process now.

Michael Mollard
Information Systems Administrator
molm <at> cvxmck.edu.au 
Clairvaux MacKillop College
Brisbane Australia.
http://www.cvxmck.edu.au 
Ph 07 33474607 (direct) / 07 33498977 
Fax 07 3349 5677

Local Area Network in Australia: the LAN down under.

>>> 
From: pgear <at> redlands.qld.edu.au 
To:<novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au>,
<acscomputers <at> yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 3/04/2006 12:37 pm
Subject: [NovellSchools] School-owned IP address range?
Hi all,

Has anyone out there successfully applied for and implemented their
own

Re: School-owned IP address range?

Ben Davis wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Because we received our address range before APNIC took on their role, we have to now pay a yearly US$99 fee
to APNIC to allow us to update historic database records. We can keep the range but need to pay this
"NON-member" membership fee to make changes to handles, etc... It is not hard to apply for the range
however, as I attended the APNIC training session in Melbourne a couple of months ago. I think though that
full members pay in the vicinity of $1000-2000 to APNIC per annum, a little expensive i thought,
especially for a school. And you do need to provide some documentation on what the range will be used for. If
you need any more info let me know.

Hmmmm...  I'm not keen on the idea of having to go to training and pay
$1K or more per year.  I might stick with the $100/yr static address
range provided by our ISP.

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38 Anson Road, Wellington Point 4160, Australia
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Re: School-owned IP address range?

I don't pay any of that, Paul.
I think we were hit up for $100 or so a few years ago, but I haven't
seen any bills in recent memory .. 

Michael Mollard
Information Systems Administrator
molm <at> cvxmck.edu.au
Clairvaux MacKillop College
Brisbane Australia.
http://www.cvxmck.edu.au
Ph 07 33474607 (direct) / 07 33498977 
Fax 07 3349 5677

Local Area Network in Australia: the LAN down under.

>>> 
From: pgear <at> redlands.qld.edu.au 
To:Novell Schools <novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au>
Date: 3/04/2006 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [NovellSchools] School-owned IP address range?
Ben Davis wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Because we received our address range before APNIC took on their
role, we have to now pay a yearly US$99 fee to APNIC to allow us to
update historic database records. We can keep the range but need to pay
this "NON-member" membership fee to make changes to handles, etc... It
is not hard to apply for the range however, as I attended the APNIC
training session in Melbourne a couple of months ago. I think though
that full members pay in the vicinity of $1000-2000 to APNIC per annum,
a little expensive i thought, especially for a school. And you do need

Re: School-owned IP address range?

I trust you've read both

http://www.apnic.net/member/feesinfo.html

and 

http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html

>>> MolM <at> cvxmck.edu.au 04/03/06 12:09 PM >>>
We have 2 x Class C (203.x.x.x) address ranges, but I got them many
years ago.  Not sure about the process now.

Michael Mollard
Information Systems Administrator
molm <at> cvxmck.edu.au
Clairvaux MacKillop College
Brisbane Australia.
http://www.cvxmck.edu.au
Ph 07 33474607 (direct) / 07 33498977 
Fax 07 3349 5677

Local Area Network in Australia: the LAN down under.

>>> 
From: pgear <at> redlands.qld.edu.au 
To:<novellschools <at> lists.redlands.qld.edu.au>,
<acscomputers <at> yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 3/04/2006 12:37 pm
Subject: [NovellSchools] School-owned IP address range?
Hi all,

Re: School-owned IP address range?

>>> cmurray <at> aphs.sa.edu.au 3/04/2006 4:05 pm >>>
I trust you've read both

http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html 

They don't seem to mention people (like us) who bought a Class C many
many years ago. Surely they can't just start charging us a fee for
something we have owned for years?
This paragraph particularly makes me nervous...

6.6 Address ownership
The Internet community regards address space as a scarce, public
resource that should only be distributed according to demonstrated need.
ISPs and other organisations and individuals that use address space are
considered "custodians" rather than "owners" of the resource. As address
space becomes more scarce, address space management policies may be
adjusted by the community.

Cheers
Russell C.

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Re: School-owned IP address range?

Cameron Murray wrote:
> I trust you've read both
>
> http://www.apnic.net/member/feesinfo.html
>
> and
>
> http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html

Just the threat of having to read that is enough to convince me that i
don't need an ISP-independent block.  

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38 Anson Road, Wellington Point 4160, Australia
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