Re: What goes into the SQL tables for running KOHA?

Rooted URL's

I'm a bit stumped as to how I'm going install this thing.  I'm not/can't 
running a name server so I can't install it as a virual host.  You folks have 
rooted all of your URL's (this means you start them all with a slash) so I 
can't install it as a virtual directory.  The best I an come up with is to 
mix it in with my root web site (yech!).  This may cause difficulties with 
index file names and may limit my ability to upgrade in the future.  

In the future, when you build a site, try to keep in mind that it may be 
installed anywhere, not necessarily in the web root.  You should use relative 
addressing.

Mark Bondurant
mbondr@...

PS.

On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and Member 
Services".  This implies that the library that the system is indexing is the 
Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source system, open to use by 
every library, then it probably ought to say something like: "Open Source 
Catalogue and Member Services System/From The Horowhenua Library Trust".

Re: Rooted URL's

On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 09:31, Mark Bondurant wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit stumped as to how I'm going install this thing.  I'm not/can't 
> running a name server so I can't install it as a virual host.  You folks have 
> rooted all of your URL's (this means you start them all with a slash) so I 
> can't install it as a virtual directory.  The best I an come up with is to 
> mix it in with my root web site (yech!).  This may cause difficulties with 
> index file names and may limit my ability to upgrade in the future.  

Yep, work is in progress to move the whole system to a template system.
Problems like you mention will be fixed as we do that. 
You dont have the option to do ip based virtual hosts?

> 
> In the future, when you build a site, try to keep in mind that it may be 
> installed anywhere, not necessarily in the web root.  You should use relative 
> addressing.
> 
> Mark Bondurant
> mbondr@...
> 
> PS.
> 
> On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and Member 
> Services".  This implies that the library that the system is indexing is the 
> Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source system, open to use by 
> every library, then it probably ought to say something like: "Open Source 
> Catalogue and Member Services System/From The Horowhenua Library Trust".
> 
Precisely because it is  a GPL'd system you are welcome to change
whatever you like. Including the splash page.

Chris
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Re: Rooted URL's

Oh, I just saw your reply to Chris Cormack.  I see you are aware of the 
problem.  I guess I'll just have to figure this out myself.

Mark Bondurant
mbondr@...

On Friday 01 March 2002 12:31 pm, Mark Bondurant wrote:
> I'm a bit stumped as to how I'm going install this thing.  I'm not/can't
> running a name server so I can't install it as a virual host.  You folks
> have rooted all of your URL's (this means you start them all with a slash)
> so I can't install it as a virtual directory.  The best I an come up with
> is to mix it in with my root web site (yech!).  This may cause difficulties
> with index file names and may limit my ability to upgrade in the future.
>
> In the future, when you build a site, try to keep in mind that it may be
> installed anywhere, not necessarily in the web root.  You should use
> relative addressing.
>
> Mark Bondurant
> mbondr@...
>
> PS.
>
> On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and
> Member Services".  This implies that the library that the system is
> indexing is the Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source
> system, open to use by every library, then it probably ought to say
> something like: "Open Source Catalogue and Member Services System/From The
> Horowhenua Library Trust".
>
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> Koha mailing list
> Koha@...
> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha

Re: Rooted URL's

On Friday 01 March 2002 12:52 pm, Chris Cormack wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 09:31, Mark Bondurant wrote:
> > I'm a bit stumped as to how I'm going install this thing.  I'm not/can't
> > running a name server so I can't install it as a virual host.  You folks
> > have rooted all of your URL's (this means you start them all with a
> > slash) so I can't install it as a virtual directory.  The best I an come
> > up with is to mix it in with my root web site (yech!).  This may cause
> > difficulties with index file names and may limit my ability to upgrade in
> > the future.
>
> Yep, work is in progress to move the whole system to a template system.
> Problems like you mention will be fixed as we do that.
> You dont have the option to do ip based virtual hosts?

No.  I'm hoping to run it on my server at home.  I just have the one IP 
address, although that does bring to mind that I might run it off another 
port.  Hmmmmm . . .

I'm not sure how to do it with this stupid Red Hat Apache interface.  I think 
I'm going to just have to go back to editing httpd.conf by hand.

Re: Rooted URL's

On Friday 01 March 2002 12:52 pm, Chris Cormack wrote:
> > On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and
> > Member Services".  This implies that the library that the system is
> > indexing is the Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source
> > system, open to use by every library, then it probably ought to say
> > something like: "Open Source Catalogue and Member Services System/From
> > The Horowhenua Library Trust".
>
> Precisely because it is  a GPL'd system you are welcome to change
> whatever you like. Including the splash page.
>
> Chris

The problem with making changes to the system is that they will be clobbered 
with the next update.  Every change I make will have to be carefully logged 
and then merged with each update.   With two kids, I just don't have the 
time.  If it's just the spash page though . . .

Mark Bondurant
mbondr@...

Re: Rooted URL's

On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 10:18, Mark Bondurant wrote:

> No.  I'm hoping to run it on my server at home.  I just have the one IP 
> address, although that does bring to mind that I might run it off another 
> port.  Hmmmmm . . .

That is the way I run my test system at home .... using ports

> 
> I'm not sure how to do it with this stupid Red Hat Apache interface.  I think 
> I'm going to just have to go back to editing httpd.conf by hand.

Here is a copy of what I am using in my httpd.conf ....
---Begin Snip of httpd.conf ---
Listen 80
Listen 8081
Listen 8082

<VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:8081>
ServerAdmin dragon28@...
DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache/opac/htdocs
ServerName zeus.dragon-is.co.nz:8081
ErrorLog logs/opac-error_log
TransferLog logs/opac-access_log
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache/opac/cgi-bin/"
</VirtualHost>

<VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:8082>
ServerAdmin dragon28@...
DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache/koha/htdocs
ServerName zeus.dragon-is.co.nz:8082
ErrorLog logs/koha-error_log
TransferLog logs/koha-access_log
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache/koha/cgi-bin/"
</VirtualHost>

--- End Snip of httpd.conf----

Re: Rooted URL's

On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 10:22, Mark Bondurant wrote:
> On Friday 01 March 2002 12:52 pm, Chris Cormack wrote:
> > > On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and
> > > Member Services".  This implies that the library that the system is
> > > indexing is the Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source
> > > system, open to use by every library, then it probably ought to say
> > > something like: "Open Source Catalogue and Member Services System/From
> > > The Horowhenua Library Trust".
> >
> > Precisely because it is  a GPL'd system you are welcome to change
> > whatever you like. Including the splash page.
> >
> > Chris
> 
> The problem with making changes to the system is that they will be clobbered 
> with the next update.  Every change I make will have to be carefully logged 
> and then merged with each update.   With two kids, I just don't have the 
> time.  If it's just the spash page though . . .
> 
A valid point.
Thats the main reason we are working on getting Koha using axkit or
another templating system. So that upates wont clobber the
customisations that people have chosen for their system.

Unfortunately that doesnt help you much at the present time 
At the moment the only real way to customise look and feel is to edit
the html files and images.

Chris
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025 500 789                                  Katipo Communications Ltd
chris@...                                    www.katipo.co.nz

Splash Sceens etc

On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 10:22, Mark Bondurant wrote:
> On Friday 01 March 2002 12:52 pm, Chris Cormack wrote:
> > > On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and
> > > Member Services".  This implies that the library that the system is
> > > indexing is the Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source
> > > system, open to use by every library, then it probably ought to say
> > > something like: "Open Source Catalogue and Member Services System/From
> > > The Horowhenua Library Trust".
> >
> > Precisely because it is  a GPL'd system you are welcome to change
> > whatever you like. Including the splash page.
> >
May be in the general system a more generic splash screen should be
used.  This may reduce some of the "possible" confusion for people.  I
would also have thought that it would be less likely to create any
identity issues for "HLT".

> 
> The problem with making changes to the system is that they will be clobbered 
> with the next update.  Every change I make will have to be carefully logged 
> and then merged with each update.   With two kids, I just don't have the 
> time.  If it's just the spash page though . . .
> 

Re: Splash Sceens etc

On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 10:51, Mike Mylonas wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-03-02 at 10:22, Mark Bondurant wrote:
> > On Friday 01 March 2002 12:52 pm, Chris Cormack wrote:
> > > > On your splash page it says:  "Horowhuenua Library Trust Catalogue and
> > > > Member Services".  This implies that the library that the system is
> > > > indexing is the Horowhuenua Library.  If this is truely an open source
> > > > system, open to use by every library, then it probably ought to say
> > > > something like: "Open Source Catalogue and Member Services System/From
> > > > The Horowhenua Library Trust".
> > >
> > > Precisely because it is  a GPL'd system you are welcome to change
> > > whatever you like. Including the splash page.
> > >
> May be in the general system a more generic splash screen should be
> used.  This may reduce some of the "possible" confusion for people.  I
> would also have thought that it would be less likely to create any
> identity issues for "HLT".
> 
Hi Mike

Yeah I think this is a great idea.

All submissions of a new more generic koha splash page will be
greatfully accepted 

Chris
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Chris Cormack                                               Programmer
025 500 789                                  Katipo Communications Ltd
chris@...                                    www.katipo.co.nz