Re: The Small Project Observatory

Hi Denis,

You are doubly right: the repository that you can see online is the  
public repository and only bundles are considered "projects". However  
thanks for asking about packages. I was thinking about considering  
them too, and actually you are not the first who wants to visualize a  
single package :)

The plan is to make the packages which do not belong to a bundle to  
be projects in their own right. Moreover I also want to let the user  
define the list of packages he considers as making up a project for  
the case where the bundle definition is not sufficient. I will email  
you when I finish implementing these features.

Best regards,
Mircea.

On Aug 30, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Denis Johnson wrote:

> Hi Mircea,
>
> Nice work and congratulations on the award.
>
> Can you tell me if the Cincom repository shown in
> http://evo.inf.unisi.ch:8009/spo/go/ is the Public one or some other ?
> If it is the public repository then can you please explain what basis
> the projects are included. Is it based on having a bundle or are all
> packages included ?
>
> regards Denis

[VW7.4.1]Strange file length problem

The following script reproduces a problem I'm having reading contents of a 
file.  The value of the length variable agrees with the OS about the file 
size, but when I try to read that many characters there aren't that many 
there.  I get an "Unhandled exception: not enough elements available".

| rs length string |
rs := 'c:\myfile.txt' asFilename readStream.
[
  length := rs size.
  string :=  rs next: length ] ensure: [ rs close ].
string

Any ideas?

-Carl Gundel
http://www.runbasic.com 

Re: [VW7.4.1]Strange file length problem

Try reading it in #binary instead. It may be the character encoding for 
the stream is in play here.

Michael

Carl Gundel wrote:
> The following script reproduces a problem I'm having reading contents 
> of a file.  The value of the length variable agrees with the OS about 
> the file size, but when I try to read that many characters there 
> aren't that many there.  I get an "Unhandled exception: not enough 
> elements available".
>
> | rs length string |
> rs := 'c:\myfile.txt' asFilename readStream.
> [
>  length := rs size.
>  string :=  rs next: length ] ensure: [ rs close ].
> string
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -Carl Gundel
> http://www.runbasic.com
>
>

Re: [VW7.4.1]Strange file length problem

Re: [VW7.4.1]Strange file length problem

Or even more likely the line end convention. In CRLF mode (Windows) each CR takes two bytes.

Michael Lucas-Smith wrote:
> Try reading it in #binary instead. It may be the character encoding for 
> the stream is in play here.
> 
> Michael
> 
> Carl Gundel wrote:
>> The following script reproduces a problem I'm having reading contents 
>> of a file.  The value of the length variable agrees with the OS about 
>> the file size, but when I try to read that many characters there 
>> aren't that many there.  I get an "Unhandled exception: not enough 
>> elements available".
>>
>> | rs length string |
>> rs := 'c:\myfile.txt' asFilename readStream.
>> [
>>  length := rs size.
>>  string :=  rs next: length ] ensure: [ rs close ].
>> string
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> -Carl Gundel
>> http://www.runbasic.com
>>
>>
> 
> 

Re: [VW] Fedora installation

Re: [VW] Fedora installation

Maarten Mostert escreveu:
> Dave,
> 
> I tried to install from either CST07NC or CST06NC but also tried the 
> net-installer.  I tried Unbuntu last year with similar results.
> 
> [Maarten <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]$ su
> Password:
> [root <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]#
> [root <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]# vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual vw7.5nc/image/install.im
> bash: vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual: Permission denied
> 
> In this case I did nothing but install Fedora Core 6 on a clean disk in 
> English _with all default options._
> from here:
> 
> ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/6/i386/iso/
> 
> Notice that I ended up downloading individual files which at least gave 
> me a working system.
> 
> The Add Remove Software options from Fedora's main menu proposes to 
> install Ruby,  Eclipse or whatever developpment environment 
> except.....Smalltalk...Why ?
> 
The installer for VW Smalltalk is a specific application (in fact 
written in VW Smalltalk itself) that doesn't come in RPM format so 
Fedora installer is not aware that (VW) Smalltalk exists.

--

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Re: [VW] Fedora installation

Cesar Rabak a écrit :
> Maarten Mostert escreveu:
>> Dave,
>>
>> I tried to install from either CST07NC or CST06NC but also tried the 
>> net-installer.  I tried Unbuntu last year with similar results.
>>
>> [Maarten <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]$ su
>> Password:
>> [root <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]#
>> [root <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]# vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual 
>> vw7.5nc/image/install.im
>> bash: vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual: Permission denied
>>
>> In this case I did nothing but install Fedora Core 6 on a clean disk 
>> in English _with all default options._
>> from here:
>>
>> ftp://ftp.free.fr/mirrors/fedora.redhat.com/fedora/linux/core/6/i386/iso/ 
>>
>>
>> Notice that I ended up downloading individual files which at least 
>> gave me a working system.
>>
>> The Add Remove Software options from Fedora's main menu proposes to 
>> install Ruby,  Eclipse or whatever developpment environment 
>> except.....Smalltalk...Why ?
>>
> The installer for VW Smalltalk is a specific application (in fact 
> written in VW Smalltalk itself) that doesn't come in RPM format so 
> Fedora installer is not aware that (VW) Smalltalk exists.
>
Being in the add remove menu's of all major Linux releases is an easy 
way to get yourself promoted so why not be there ? At the least the 
net-installer could.
Being different is sort of oké, but not being click and run is not 
especially as this must be really minor to solve.

 <at> +Maarten,

Re: [VW] Fedora installation

> [root <at> Wanadoo CST07NC]# vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual 
> vw7.5nc/image/install.im
> bash: vw7.5nc/bin/linux86/visual: Permission denied
This probably means that the CD or ISO is mounted without execute 
permissions, try to add '-o exec' to your mount command.

> The Add Remove Software options from Fedora's main menu proposes to 
> install Ruby,  Eclipse or whatever developpment environment 
> except.....Smalltalk...Why ?
For the same reasons it doesn't on MsWindows, MacOs, Sun, Irix, AIX, 
HP-UX, Solaris etc, etc: a single installer with a single distribution 
medium is less costly to maintain.

R
-

RE: [VW] Fedora installation

From: Maarten Mostert [mailto:maarten.mostert <at> wanadoo.fr] 
> >> The Add Remove Software options from Fedora's main menu proposes to
> >> install Ruby,  Eclipse or whatever developpment environment 
> >> except.....Smalltalk...Why ?
> >>
> > The installer for VW Smalltalk is a specific application (in fact
> > written in VW Smalltalk itself) that doesn't come in RPM format so 
> > Fedora installer is not aware that (VW) Smalltalk exists.
> >
> Being in the add remove menu's of all major Linux releases is an easy 
> way to get yourself promoted so why not be there ? 

VW used to be on the Applications CD for RedHat, as indeed did our own VW-based MetaEdit+. At that point
(1999) RedHat were really happy to have applications available to show their potential users that
software existed for Linux. A few years on things changed, and RedHat wanted tens of thousands of dollars
to put our software on their disk and downloads. I don't know what price they offered Cincom, but IIRC the
cost was proportional to the size of the download (ours was 20MB, VW is many times that).

Linux is a bit of a nightmare for commercial software vendors: so many distros, so many versions, so little
money. We're still making the effort (MetaEdit+ 4.5 for Linux and MacOSX were released this summer), as
are Cincom, but I understand their quandary with respect to throwing more marketing or technical effort
at it. If a few more people per thousand free users actually bought the software, the vendors would be able
to offer a better experience to the thousands too.

Cheers,
Steve
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