Stable SW1 version on squeaksource

Hi,

I put a stable version of smallwiki1 on squeaksource
(http://www.squeaksource.com/smallwiki1 , SmallWiki-Kernel-stable and
SmallWiki-Parser-stable). This version is currently used for
squeak.org, and www.seaside.st, and seems stable as a rock ! The
current version, available in squeakmap, will be renamed unstable. So
for little and/or trivial features, just put them into the stable
version on squeaksource (read/write access for everyone), and for big
and important features, requiring some deep modification of the
smallwiki1 kernel, probably shoud we work with the unstable branch
(read/write access for everyone too).

Let's share our contributions !

Regards,
Samir

Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website

The Squeak home page's claim that "Smalltalk is the original object  
oriented language" is historically suspect.  That honor is usually  
given to Simula.

  -Max Hailperin
   Professor and Chair
   Mathematics and Computer Science Department
   Gustavus Adolphus College
   800 W. College Ave.
   St. Peter, MN 56082
   USA
   http://www.gustavus.edu/+max/

[Fwd: Re: Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website]

I'm forwarding to the list. What do people think ?

On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:55 AM, karl wrote:

> Max Hailperin skrev:
>
>> The Squeak home page's claim that "Smalltalk is the original  
>> object  oriented language" is historically suspect.  That honor is  
>> usually  given to Simula.
>
> Smalltalk is inspired by Simula. Simula is a extension to Algol.
> The term object oriented was coined by Alan Kay describing Smalltalk
> Smalltalk was the first objects- all-the-way-down system.
> Take a look at http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/ 
> EarlyHistoryST.html
> The article is flawed by lot's of spelling errors 
>
> karl

I'm familiar with Kay's HOPL paper, and I stand by my assertion that  
making a bald claim that Smalltalk is the original OO language is  
suspect.  Because definitions are fuzzy, claims like this can't be  

Re: [Fwd: Re: Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website]

In that "Object-Oriented" was coined by Alan Kay I think it is still
fair to say that Smalltalk is the original.  However, if it would
improve the read-ability of our home page (by not reigniting deep
flames of resentment and/or purism) I wouldn't mind going with
'pioneering' instead of 'original'.

Just my 2 cents.

On 12/3/05, karl <karl.ramberg@...> wrote:
> I'm forwarding to the list. What do people think ?
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Max Hailperin <max@...>
> To: karl <karl.ramberg@...>
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:11:41 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website
> On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:55 AM, karl wrote:
>
> > Max Hailperin skrev:
> >
> >> The Squeak home page's claim that "Smalltalk is the original
> >> object  oriented language" is historically suspect.  That honor is
> >> usually  given to Simula.
> >
> > Smalltalk is inspired by Simula. Simula is a extension to Algol.
> > The term object oriented was coined by Alan Kay describing Smalltalk
> > Smalltalk was the first objects- all-the-way-down system.
> > Take a look at http://gagne.homedns.org/~tgagne/contrib/

Re: Stable SW1 version on squeaksource

Thanks a lot Samir!! This is really helpful.

On 12/2/05, Samir Saidani <saidani@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I put a stable version of smallwiki1 on squeaksource
> (http://www.squeaksource.com/smallwiki1 , SmallWiki-Kernel-stable and
> SmallWiki-Parser-stable). This version is currently used for
> squeak.org, and www.seaside.st, and seems stable as a rock ! The
> current version, available in squeakmap, will be renamed unstable. So
> for little and/or trivial features, just put them into the stable
> version on squeaksource (read/write access for everyone), and for big
> and important features, requiring some deep modification of the
> smallwiki1 kernel, probably shoud we work with the unstable branch
> (read/write access for everyone too).
>
> Let's share our contributions !
>
> Regards,
> Samir
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> Webteam@...
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/webteam
>

--
Jason Rogers

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I,

Re: [Fwd: Re: Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website]

Jason Rogers wrote:

>In that "Object-Oriented" was coined by Alan Kay I think it is still
>fair to say that Smalltalk is the original.  However, if it would
>improve the read-ability of our home page (by not reigniting deep
>flames of resentment and/or purism) I wouldn't mind going with
>'pioneering' instead of 'original'.
>
>Just my 2 cents.
>  
>
we could 'enhance' it by saying something like:
'the most significant pioneering'

which is a positioning claim.

>On 12/3/05, karl <karl.ramberg@...> wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm forwarding to the list. What do people think ?
>>
>>
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>From: Max Hailperin <max@...>
>>To: karl <karl.ramberg@...>
>>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 07:11:41 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [Webteam] Suggestion+for+Squeak+Website
>>On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:55 AM, karl wrote:
>>

Re: Stable SW1 version on squeaksource

Hi samir

I think that this is important that people willing to continue to  
work on SmallWiki 1 takes control of it.
So this is good that you invest and shared.

Stef

> Hi,
>
> I put a stable version of smallwiki1 on squeaksource
> (http://www.squeaksource.com/smallwiki1 , SmallWiki-Kernel-stable and
> SmallWiki-Parser-stable). This version is currently used for
> squeak.org, and www.seaside.st, and seems stable as a rock ! The
> current version, available in squeakmap, will be renamed unstable. So
> for little and/or trivial features, just put them into the stable
> version on squeaksource (read/write access for everyone), and for big
> and important features, requiring some deep modification of the
> smallwiki1 kernel, probably shoud we work with the unstable branch
> (read/write access for everyone too).
>
> Let's share our contributions !
>
> Regards,
> Samir

Re: About Squeak Web Site

Thanks Germán for the suggestion.  I am copying this to the WebTeam. 
You can post messages to them or create Mantis issues in the future. 
It would be easier for these feedbacks not to get missed in people's
personal inboxes.

On 12/5/05, gsa@...
<gsa@...> wrote:
> Hi Jason:
>
> First of all, Thanks by the wonderful work of yourself and another people
> in the new Squeak site.
>
> Look nice, useful and easy to read/use and find things.
>
> One suggestion that I can do is add to Squeak Links (at right of the page)
> the link to new Squeak VMs pages (http://www.squeakvm.org/).
>
> Well, it's all for now, wonderful work with the site, really Thanks to you
> and collaborators.
>
> Cheers.
> gsa.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Germán S. Arduino
> ArSol Software
> http://www.arsol.net
> http://www.arsol.biz
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>

Re: Re: About Squeak Web Site

Jason Rogers wrote:

>Thanks Germán for the suggestion.  I am copying this to the WebTeam. 
>You can post messages to them or create Mantis issues in the future. 
>It would be easier for these feedbacks not to get missed in people's
>personal inboxes.
>
>  
>
It's easy to overlook requests. Luckily we don't get that many 
I added the link.

Karl

>On 12/5/05, gsa@...
<gsa@...> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Jason:
>>
>>First of all, Thanks by the wonderful work of yourself and another people
>>in the new Squeak site.
>>
>>Look nice, useful and easy to read/use and find things.
>>
>>One suggestion that I can do is add to Squeak Links (at right of the page)
>>the link to new Squeak VMs pages (http://www.squeakvm.org/).
>>
>>Well, it's all for now, wonderful work with the site, really Thanks to you
>>and collaborators.

Re: Re: About Squeak Web Site

karl wrote:
> Jason Rogers wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Germán for the suggestion.  I am copying this to the WebTeam. 
>> You can post messages to them or create Mantis issues in the future. 
>> It would be easier for these feedbacks not to get missed in people's
>> personal inboxes.
>>
>>  
>>
> It's easy to overlook requests. Luckily we don't get that many 
> I added the link.
> 
> Karl
> 
>> On 12/5/05, gsa@...
<gsa@...> wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Jason:
>>>
>>> First of all, Thanks by the wonderful work of yourself and another 
>>> people
>>> in the new Squeak site.
>>>
>>> Look nice, useful and easy to read/use and find things.
>>>
>>> One suggestion that I can do is add to Squeak Links (at right of the 
>>> page)
>>> the link to new Squeak VMs pages (http://www.squeakvm.org/).