mokurai | 1 Jul 07:49 2011

Re: [squeakland] Expresándonos con Etoys / Expressing ourselves with Etoy s

Aha! Carlos, you do understand Sugar, much better than those who merely
know how to operate it. This visual learning method, without formulas,
words, and calculations, is what I have been proposing for some time, and
now have started implementing, along with Tony Forster, Peter Hewitt, Alan
Kay, and others. We must talk about kindergarten calculus, about
symmetries, about all sorts of things.

You know how to make a curve that is not a circle, but that rolls on a
flat plane with its top at a constant height, don't you? This has
commercial applications. There are many other such examples that can be
demonstrated in one or another of the Sugar tools.

This kind of thinking (square wheels on an undulating road) has many
important applications in manufacturing. For example, sharp-edged
semiconductor masks produce fuzzy diffracted edges on the IC, but just the
right fuzziness in the mask edges produces sharp, thin lines on the IC.
For another, if you grind two glass blanks together with the appropriate
grit in between, and with frequent random rotations, you produce two
spherical surfaces, one slightly convex and one slightly concave. But if
you grind three surfaces together two at a time, with frequent changes
through all three pairings, they all necessarily come out flat.

On Thu, June 30, 2011 8:22 am, Carlos Rabassa wrote:
> English text follows Spanish text
>
> Karl,
>
> gracias por tu comentario alentador.
>
> Trataré de mejorar el video, este fue mi primer intento,  creo puedo hacer
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karl ramberg | 1 Jul 08:53 2011
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Re: Expresándonos con Etoys / Expressing ourselves with Etoys

Hi,
what program do you use to capture the video?
Do we have the right tools to do this in Sugar ?
 
Should we enable adding links to embed these clips in the show case ?
 
Karl


 
2011/6/30 Carlos Rabassa <carnen-ee4meeAH724@public.gmane.org>
English text follows Spanish text

Karl,

gracias por tu comentario alentador.

Trataré de mejorar el video, este fue mi primer intento,  creo puedo hacer algo mejor.

Durante mucho tiempo insistí en contar a todos sobre la vitrina de Squeakland,  donde cualquiera puede encontrar proyectos hechos por otros,  abrir los guiones y ver cómo fueron hechos.

Pero luego,  hablando con usuarios en el terreno, encontré que pedir a usuarios potenciales que hagan todo eso,  es demasiado y muy complicado.

Por eso pensé que el video con los guiones abiertos,  accesible con un clic en el enlace a YouTube, podría ser una manera mejor de promover el uso de Etoys.

Pensé que comenzar por mostrar el premio,  mostrar lo que puede lograrse,  podría dar a los usuarios potenciales el entusiasmo necesario para tomar los pequeños pasos para crear proyectos con Etoys.

Dejé dos guiones simples,  sin agregar botones ni los lujos que traté de agregar en el pasado.  No dejan ver con claridad la simplicidad de este medio de expresión.

El mensaje es:  

Es muy fácil crear guiones sencillos para describir ideas complejas como la rueda cuadrada sobre el camino ondulado.

Imaginemos por un momento explicar esto mismo con palabras.

Favor notar que el proyecto no usa variables ni fórmulas ni nada que alguien pudiese considerar temas avanzados.

Puedes encontrar este proyecto y muchísimos otros en la vitrina en:


Los videos en YouTube a los que ofrezco enlaces,  proveen el vínculo con el mundo real.  

Oí a algunos de los más grandes maestros resaltar la importancia de establecer esta conexión.


English text starts here

Karl,

thanks for your encouraging comment.

Will try to improve the movie,  this was my first try,  believe I can do better.

I have been insisting for a long time in telling everyone about the Squeakland showcase where anyone may find projects done by others,  open the scripts and find out how were they done.

But then,  by talking to users in the field,  I found asking for potential users to do all that might be too much and too complicated.

This is why we thought a movie with the open scripts,  accessible by one click on the YouTube link,  might be a better way to promote the use of Etoys.

I thought showing the reward first,  showing what can be achieved,  might give prospective users the enthusiasm needed to take the short and easy steps to create Etoys projects.

I left the two plain scripts without adding buttons or any of the luxuries I tried to add in the past.  They cloud the simplicity of this means of expression.

The message is:  

Creating a script to describe a complex idea like the square wheel on the undulated road,  is very simple and easy.

Imagine for a moment explaining the same idea with words.

Please note,  the project doesn´t use variables or formulas or anything that someone might consider to be advanced subjects.

You may find this project and many others in the showcase at:


The YouTube videos,  for which we offer links,  provide the connection to the real world.   I heard some of the greatest teachers insist about its importance of establishing this relationship.


Carlos Rabassa
Volunteer
Plan Ceibal Support Network
Montevideo, Uruguay



On Jun 30, 2011, at 8:11 AM, karl ramberg wrote:

Really cool :-)
 
Karl

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Carlos Rabassa <carnen-ee4meeAH724@public.gmane.org> wrote:
English text follows Spanish text

Hace unos pocos días leímos sobre vehículos con ruedas cuadradas.

Funcionan suavemente sin inclinarse.

Usamos Etoys para entender y explicar como funcionan estas ruedas cuadradas.

El secreto está en hacerlas rodar sobre caminos ondulados.

Este proyecto Etoys muestra cómo construir un camino ondulado adecuado,  agregando material,  que se muestra en púrpura,  sobre la superficie lisa del camino original:


El video también muestra los únicos guiones requeridos para hacer que la rueda cuadrada ruede sobre el camino mientras que el vehículo,  representado por la línea verde, se mantiene horizontal y a altura constante.

Estos son algunos vehículos con ruedas cuadradas:

Auto de 4 ruedas

Bicicleta de 2 ruedas

Triciclo con 3 ruedas de tamaños diferentes

English text starts here

A few days ago we read about square-wheeled vehicles.

They offer smooth rides,  without tilting.

We used Etoys to understand and explain how this square wheels work.

The secret is to roll them on undulated roads.

This Etoys project shows how to build a road with the adequate undulation,  by adding material,  shown in purple, on the flat origianl surface of the road:


The video also shows all the scripts required to make the square wheel roll over the road while the vehicle´s body,  represented by the green line, stays horizontal and always at the same height.

These are some square wheeled vehicles:

4-wheel car

2-wheel bicycle model

3-wheel tricycles


Carlos Rabassa
Voluntario
Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
Montevideo, Uruguay






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Re: Expresándonos con Etoys / Expressing ourselves with Etoys

English text follows Spanish text

Karl,

¿Qué programa usas para capturar el video?





¿Tenemos las herramientas apropiadas para hacer esto en Sugar?

No tengo idea.

Estamos tratando de ayudar a los niños, maestros y otros.

Mientras el resultado final sea un video que cualquiera pueda ver en YouTube,  para ayudar a usar un programa gratis y libre como Etoys,  imagino que las herramientas usadas para preparar el video no tienen importancia alguna.

Alexandro,  por favor evita palabras discriminatorias como las que usaste recientemente,  claramente con intención de insultar, tales como estúpido, bárbaro, viejo  y judío.

Ya hice una versión mejorada del video,  usando una posibilidad que aún no había probado.  Graba la zona cerca del cursor en vez de la ventana completa.

Tiene algún problema durante los primeros 15 segundos,  que apareció al subirlo a YouTube,  no tengo tiempo de arreglarlo ahora:


Comencé a aprender lo básico de Etoys,  solamente porque funciona perfectamente sin Sugar y sin la XO que no tengo.

Luego descubrí lo poderoso que es Etoys,  lo sub-utilizado que está,  y la poca gente en el mundo que aprecia su potencial.

Estoy por ver aún el primer mensaje claro diciendo a los maestros que no necesitan enseñar códigos aburridos ni dirigir sus lecciones exclusivamente a los niños más inteligentes,  para ayudarles a aprender los conceptos más básicos de programación y de lógica que aprovecharán durante el resto de sus vidas,  sin importar en qué terminen trabajando.

My opinión,  EXCLUSIVAMENTE PERSONAL, es que Sugar es un ejemplo excelente de lo que Lawrence Leissig menciona en su libro como Software Feudal:

Cultura Libre
Free Culture

El software libre es uno de los conceptos más grandiosos de este mundo.

Sin embargo,  es un concepto que puede abusarse.

Sugar cumplió una función importantísima en ayudar al Plan Ceibal a llegar al éxito que alcanzó,  evitando el costo prohibitivo de comprar software privado.

Pero ahora,  se volvió un factor limitante.

Al decidir qué información puede alcanzarse con Sugar,  la información que llega a los niños ha sido,  sin intención,  filtrada.

El filtro no lo controlan ni los familiares,  ni los maestros ni otros educadores,  simplemente lo controla Sugar.

Soy optimista.

Tengo el claro presentimiento de que este problema está llegando a su final.  Respeto mucho a algunos grupos influyentes como los directivos del Plan Ceibal.

Si leen el Portal Ceibal y asisten a los eventos públicos que ellos organizan,  notarán que están introduciendo computadoras que no están basadas exclusivamente en Sugar.

Están invitando personalidades de nivel internacional reconocido que promueven ideas que no son rehenes de Sugar.

La computadora en el agujero de la pared,  de Sugata Mitra,  no parece usar Sugar.  Era una computadora cualquiera,  conectada a internet.  Esta característica básica parece haberse continuado sin cambios en sus nuevas ideas.

Khan Academy,  el original,  no conozco las versiones sugarizadas, traducidas o explicadas por expertos,  me refiero simplemente a lo que se ofrece a los que visitan el sitio,  funciona también con cualquier computadora conectada a internet.


¿Debemos poner a funcionar el agregado de vínculos para incluir estos videos en la vitrina?


De acuerdo con cualquier cosa que hagas para promover información que creas útil.


No hay nada mejor,  para aquellos interesados en ayudar a maestros y niños,  que trabajar como voluntario,  ayudando a resolver problemas específicos.

Es una forma excelente de mantenerse en la ruta correcta hacia nuestros objetivos:  Identificar problemas y luego tratar de ofrecer las mejores soluciones que podamos.

Durante el Tour Conozco Uruguay,  que tuvo lugar justo antes de EduJam,  observamos durante un par de horas un desfile continuo e interminable de niños y sus familiares,  que venían a pedir ayuda a un lugar donde hay voluntarios que los ayudan con los problemas específicos que tengan,  todas las semanas,  en días y horas que se publican ampliamente.

Tal vez deseen explicar ellos mismos,  estos voluntarios que tanto trabajan,  qué problemas encuentran y frecuentemente resuelven en el acto.

Notamos que estos voluntarios siguen algunas reglas de oro que con gusto recomiendo:

- Si el problema no tiene solución que ellos conozcan,  responden eso claramente.

- Si la solución requiere a alguien con autorizaciones que ellos no tienen,  claramente explican eso y dirigen al usuario a donde puedan ayudarle.

- Nunca recomiendan una solución que no hayan probado antes cuidadosamente ellos mismos.

- No tienen vergüenza de tomarse el tiempo necesario para pensar y seguir cuidadosa y sistemáticamente los procedimientos correctos.

No importa lo buenos que sean los cursillos o talleres que podamos ofrecer,  el hecho es que buena parte del tiempo disponible,  particularmente el tiempo precioso durante el cual se cuenta con la supervisión de un maestro profesional,  se pierde resolviendo problemas de computadora / programas.

Karl,  gracias por tus comentarios alentadores y preguntas.

Carlos Rabassa
Voluntario
Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
Montevideo, Uruguay

English text starts here

Karl,

what program do you use to capture the video?




Do we have the right tools to do this in Sugar ?

I have no idea.  

We are trying to help children, teachers and others.

As long as the end result is a video anyone can see in YouTube,  helping users of a free / free program like Etoys,  I imagine the tools used to make the video are irrelevant.

Alexandro,  please avoid discriminatory words you recently used,  clearly intended as insults,  such as stupid, barbarian, old person and jew.


I already made an improved version of the video using a feature I had not tried yet.  It records the area near the cursor instead of the whole window.  

It has some problem during the first 15 seconds that appeared when uploading to YouTube,  no time to fix it now:


I started learning the basics of Etoys,  only because it works perfectly without Sugar and without a XO which I don´t have.

Then I discovered how powerful Etoys is,  how underutilized it is and how few people in the world appreciate its potential. 

I still have to seen the first clear message telling teachers they do not need to teach boring codes or to address their lessons to the most intelligent children only,  to help them learn the very basic programming and logics concepts they will all profit from for the rest of their lives,  no matter in what field of work they end up.

My PERSONAL-ONLY opinion is that Sugar is an excellent example of what Lawrence Leissig mentions in his book as Feudal Software:

Free software is one of the greatest concepts in this world,

However,  it is a concept that may be abused.

Sugar did a great job helping Plan Ceibal reach the success it did,  avoiding the prohibitive cost of purchasing private software.

But now it became a limiting factor.  

By deciding what information may be reached through Sugar,  the information that reaches children is unintentionally filtered.

The filter is not controlled by relatives, teachers or other educators,  just by Sugar.

I am optimistic.

I have the clear feeling this problem is coming to an end.  I have high respect for some influential groups like the top management of Plan Ceibal.

If you read Plan Ceibal´s Portal and you attend the public events they organize,  you will notice they are introducing computers that are not based on Sugar exclusively.  

They are inviting personalities of internationally recognized level,  who promote ideas that are not Sugar hostages.  

Sugata Mitra´s computer in the hole in the wall didn´t seem to have Sugar,  it was just a non-descript computer connected to internet.  That basic feature seems to have remained unchanged in all his newer ideas.

Khan Academy,  the original,  not sugarized or translated, not explained by any experts,  just what users find when visiting their site,  also works with any computer connected to internet.

Should we enable adding links to embed these clips in the show case ?

Whatever you do to promote the distribution of information you believe is useful,  I am for it.



For those interested in helping teachers and children,  there is nothing better than volunteering to help on specific problems.

It is an excellent way of staying on course,  identifying  the problems first and then trying to offer the best solutions we can.

During the Conozco Uruguay Tour,  that took place in Uruguay just before EduJam,  we watched for a couple of hours an endless parade of kids and their relatives coming for help to a place where volunteers  help them with the specific problems they are experiencing,  every week,  on days and hours that are widely publicized.

Maybe they would like to explain themselves,  these hardworking volunteers,  the kind of problems they find and most frequently resolve on the spot.

We noticed these volunteers follow some golden rules I am glad to recommend:

- If the problem has no solution known to them,  they clearly say so.

- If the solution is only available through someone with authorizations they do not have,  they clearly say so and direct the user to the proper party.

- They never recommend a solution they have not thoroughly tested themselves.

- They are not ashamed of taking time to think and to carefully and systematically follow the proper procedures.
 

No matter how good Etoys tutorials or workshops we offer,  the fact is most of the time available,  particularly the time at school with the expert supervision of a professional teacher,  is wasted with computer / software problems.


Karl, thanks for your encouraging comments and questions.


Carlos Rabassa
Volunteer
Plan Ceibal Support Network
Montevideo, Uruguay



On Jul 1, 2011, at 3:53 AM, karl ramberg wrote:

Hi,
what program do you use to capture the video?
Do we have the right tools to do this in Sugar ?
 
Should we enable adding links to embed these clips in the show case ?
 
Karl


 
2011/6/30 Carlos Rabassa <carnen-ee4meeAH724@public.gmane.org>
English text follows Spanish text

Karl,

gracias por tu comentario alentador.

Trataré de mejorar el video, este fue mi primer intento,  creo puedo hacer algo mejor.

Durante mucho tiempo insistí en contar a todos sobre la vitrina de Squeakland,  donde cualquiera puede encontrar proyectos hechos por otros,  abrir los guiones y ver cómo fueron hechos.

Pero luego,  hablando con usuarios en el terreno, encontré que pedir a usuarios potenciales que hagan todo eso,  es demasiado y muy complicado.

Por eso pensé que el video con los guiones abiertos,  accesible con un clic en el enlace a YouTube, podría ser una manera mejor de promover el uso de Etoys.

Pensé que comenzar por mostrar el premio,  mostrar lo que puede lograrse,  podría dar a los usuarios potenciales el entusiasmo necesario para tomar los pequeños pasos para crear proyectos con Etoys.

Dejé dos guiones simples,  sin agregar botones ni los lujos que traté de agregar en el pasado.  No dejan ver con claridad la simplicidad de este medio de expresión.

El mensaje es:  

Es muy fácil crear guiones sencillos para describir ideas complejas como la rueda cuadrada sobre el camino ondulado.

Imaginemos por un momento explicar esto mismo con palabras.

Favor notar que el proyecto no usa variables ni fórmulas ni nada que alguien pudiese considerar temas avanzados.

Puedes encontrar este proyecto y muchísimos otros en la vitrina en:


Los videos en YouTube a los que ofrezco enlaces,  proveen el vínculo con el mundo real.  

Oí a algunos de los más grandes maestros resaltar la importancia de establecer esta conexión.


English text starts here

Karl,

thanks for your encouraging comment.

Will try to improve the movie,  this was my first try,  believe I can do better.

I have been insisting for a long time in telling everyone about the Squeakland showcase where anyone may find projects done by others,  open the scripts and find out how were they done.

But then,  by talking to users in the field,  I found asking for potential users to do all that might be too much and too complicated.

This is why we thought a movie with the open scripts,  accessible by one click on the YouTube link,  might be a better way to promote the use of Etoys.

I thought showing the reward first,  showing what can be achieved,  might give prospective users the enthusiasm needed to take the short and easy steps to create Etoys projects.

I left the two plain scripts without adding buttons or any of the luxuries I tried to add in the past.  They cloud the simplicity of this means of expression.

The message is:  

Creating a script to describe a complex idea like the square wheel on the undulated road,  is very simple and easy.

Imagine for a moment explaining the same idea with words.

Please note,  the project doesn´t use variables or formulas or anything that someone might consider to be advanced subjects.

You may find this project and many others in the showcase at:


The YouTube videos,  for which we offer links,  provide the connection to the real world.   I heard some of the greatest teachers insist about its importance of establishing this relationship.


Carlos Rabassa
Volunteer
Plan Ceibal Support Network
Montevideo, Uruguay



On Jun 30, 2011, at 8:11 AM, karl ramberg wrote:

Really cool :-)
 
Karl

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Carlos Rabassa <carnen-ee4meeAH724@public.gmane.org> wrote:
English text follows Spanish text

Hace unos pocos días leímos sobre vehículos con ruedas cuadradas.

Funcionan suavemente sin inclinarse.

Usamos Etoys para entender y explicar como funcionan estas ruedas cuadradas.

El secreto está en hacerlas rodar sobre caminos ondulados.

Este proyecto Etoys muestra cómo construir un camino ondulado adecuado,  agregando material,  que se muestra en púrpura,  sobre la superficie lisa del camino original:


El video también muestra los únicos guiones requeridos para hacer que la rueda cuadrada ruede sobre el camino mientras que el vehículo,  representado por la línea verde, se mantiene horizontal y a altura constante.

Estos son algunos vehículos con ruedas cuadradas:

Auto de 4 ruedas

Bicicleta de 2 ruedas

Triciclo con 3 ruedas de tamaños diferentes

English text starts here

A few days ago we read about square-wheeled vehicles.

They offer smooth rides,  without tilting.

We used Etoys to understand and explain how this square wheels work.

The secret is to roll them on undulated roads.

This Etoys project shows how to build a road with the adequate undulation,  by adding material,  shown in purple, on the flat origianl surface of the road:


The video also shows all the scripts required to make the square wheel roll over the road while the vehicle´s body,  represented by the green line, stays horizontal and always at the same height.

These are some square wheeled vehicles:

4-wheel car

2-wheel bicycle model

3-wheel tricycles


Carlos Rabassa
Voluntario
Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
Montevideo, Uruguay






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Carlos Rabassa | 1 Jul 23:45 2011
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Creando Proyecto Rueda Cuadrada / Creating Square Wheel Project

Nueva explicación detallada en video de cómo fue creado el Proyecto de la Rueda Cuadrada.

New detailed video explanation of how the Square Wheel Project was created

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZH4ANX-4Yc

Carlos Rabassa
Voluntario
Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
Montevideo, Uruguay
Yoshiki Ohshima | 5 Jul 19:17 2011

Re: WEB DEVELOPER FOR SCRATCH 2.0

  By now, people here would know about this job offering, but they are
still looking for applicants:

http://www.media.mit.edu/about/opportunities/web-developer-scratch-20

  This would be a really exciting and high-visibility site...

-- Yoshiki

Carlos Rabassa | 10 Jul 14:05 2011
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Seeking the Americas’ brightest young minds for a spot at Zeitgeist Americas 2011

Posted: 07 Jul 2011 02:22 PM PDT

This year, we’re mixing up our annual Zeitgeist conferences with the launch of Young Minds, a competition hosted by youth engagement agency Livity, supported by Google and hosted on YouTube. Starting this week, we’re searching for 12 inspirational young people who are making an impact on their world to attend Zeitgeist Americas 2011—our annual gathering of 400+ businesses and thought leaders from across the continent held each year in Paradise Valley, Ariz.

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Christine Murakami | 11 Jul 13:04 2011

Re: squeakland Digest, Vol 99, Issue 5

Hi everyone! 

I have been working with students on creating music lessons, and there is a gap in my knowledge of Etoys that
is preventing them from going further in their projects.

Many of them would like a song to play (using the play frequency tile). The only way I can think to do this is to
either create a variable counter that counts a beat or to use the playfield counter. Either way, it seems
like Etoys ought to have a command that does something like "while counter > 5 and counter <10 play
frequency 880" or even using a test in a similar way: "test counter > 5 and counter < 10".  I just can't figure
out how to have a sound play for a specific amount of time - especially a few beats into the song. The first few
we can fudge, but after that it gets too complicated. I need to help them find a better solution.

I've looked at both Pling and the chord game for suggestions, which helped with other issues but not this one.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated! I've been struggling with this since early May!

Thanks!

Christine 

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Steve Thomas | 11 Jul 14:34 2011

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1) You can use the timer in the playfield category (can change decimal places I believe accurate to milliseconds)

2) Use a "piano roll" and place notes on the roll and have a "needle" move across the roll (or the roll move) and when the "needle" touches the note, it will play that note.

You could have kids play a frequency based on it's y position and have them draw a score.  They could also have the note sustain based on its length.  You can also change the tempo by moving the needle at different speeds.

Stephen

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Christine Murakami <cmurakami-rN3PHIWzTs3lo9VbKK98LDtD9xuq6fBiHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hi everyone!

I have been working with students on creating music lessons, and there is a gap in my knowledge of Etoys that is preventing them from going further in their projects.

Many of them would like a song to play (using the play frequency tile). The only way I can think to do this is to either create a variable counter that counts a beat or to use the playfield counter. Either way, it seems like Etoys ought to have a command that does something like "while counter > 5 and counter <10 play frequency 880" or even using a test in a similar way: "test counter > 5 and counter < 10".  I just can't figure out how to have a sound play for a specific amount of time - especially a few beats into the song. The first few we can fudge, but after that it gets too complicated. I need to help them find a better solution.

I've looked at both Pling and the chord game for suggestions, which helped with other issues but not this one.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated! I've been struggling with this since early May!

Thanks!

Christine

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> Seeking the Americas? brightest young minds for a spot at Zeitgeist
> Americas 2011
> Posted: 07 Jul 2011 02:22 PM PDT
> This year, we?re mixing up our annual Zeitgeist conferences with the launch of Young Minds, a competition hosted by youth engagement agency Livity, supported by Google and hosted on YouTube. Starting this week, we?re searching for 12 inspirational young people who are making an impact on their world to attend Zeitgeist Americas 2011?our annual gathering of 400+ businesses and thought leaders from across the continent held each year in Paradise Valley, Ariz.
>
> The winners will be invited to the two-day event, where they?ll take part in a series of tailored master classes hosted by Google and meet some of the most powerful and thought-provoking people on the planet. We want the pioneers, changemakers and leaders of tomorrow to take their place alongside the greatest minds of today and use Zeitgeist as a springboard from which they can continue to do amazing things to make the world a better place.
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Re: Playing musical notes

Hi Christine,

you can do "test counter > 5 and counter < 10" using two nested tests. The first would test for "counter > 5" and in its "yes" case there would be a test for "counter < 10". Of course that would be tedious for a whole song.

Here is a way to use the timer as suggested by Steve:



Each note is just a rectangle with an embedded text label. It has a variable for its frequency. Its width represents its duration. Many of them are put in a holder, and each can have their own frequency. The holder has a single variable, "until". This holds the timer value for the end of the currently playing note. When that time has passed, the next "until" is calculated from the width of the next note, and it is played.

It's very simple to make more notes, you just duplicate them, and if necessary change freq and width. You could make a parts bin with all the preconfigured notes.

This is similar to (though a lot simpler than) what I showed at Squeakfest. Ideas from that talk could be integrated as well - e.g., instead of playing the note right in the holder's script, each note could have a script that gets activated by the holder, and then could do more interesting things (like playing a rondo by repeating themes in ABACA form etc).

- Bert -

On 11.07.2011, at 14:34, Steve Thomas wrote:

1) You can use the timer in the playfield category (can change decimal places I believe accurate to milliseconds)

2) Use a "piano roll" and place notes on the roll and have a "needle" move across the roll (or the roll move) and when the "needle" touches the note, it will play that note.

You could have kids play a frequency based on it's y position and have them draw a score.  They could also have the note sustain based on its length.  You can also change the tempo by moving the needle at different speeds.

Stephen

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Christine Murakami <cmurakami <at> columbusschoolforgirls.org> wrote:
Hi everyone!

I have been working with students on creating music lessons, and there is a gap in my knowledge of Etoys that is preventing them from going further in their projects.

Many of them would like a song to play (using the play frequency tile). The only way I can think to do this is to either create a variable counter that counts a beat or to use the playfield counter. Either way, it seems like Etoys ought to have a command that does something like "while counter > 5 and counter <10 play frequency 880" or even using a test in a similar way: "test counter > 5 and counter < 10".  I just can't figure out how to have a sound play for a specific amount of time - especially a few beats into the song. The first few we can fudge, but after that it gets too complicated. I need to help them find a better solution.

I've looked at both Pling and the chord game for suggestions, which helped with other issues but not this one.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated! I've been struggling with this since early May!

Thanks!

Christine
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Steve Thomas | 11 Jul 18:04 2011

Re: Playing musical notes

Is there a way to play "instruments" other than tones, similar to http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7826?  


Ie: How can I specify an instrument?  I can load midi files, but would like to be able to do something similar to Scratch where I can specify the instrument. and then have a script "Play the notes"

Stephen

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert-STCyKV6c0A3iw4BLtGPswg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hi Christine,

you can do "test counter > 5 and counter < 10" using two nested tests. The first would test for "counter > 5" and in its "yes" case there would be a test for "counter < 10". Of course that would be tedious for a whole song.

Here is a way to use the timer as suggested by Steve:



Each note is just a rectangle with an embedded text label. It has a variable for its frequency. Its width represents its duration. Many of them are put in a holder, and each can have their own frequency. The holder has a single variable, "until". This holds the timer value for the end of the currently playing note. When that time has passed, the next "until" is calculated from the width of the next note, and it is played.

It's very simple to make more notes, you just duplicate them, and if necessary change freq and width. You could make a parts bin with all the preconfigured notes.

This is similar to (though a lot simpler than) what I showed at Squeakfest. Ideas from that talk could be integrated as well - e.g., instead of playing the note right in the holder's script, each note could have a script that gets activated by the holder, and then could do more interesting things (like playing a rondo by repeating themes in ABACA form etc).

- Bert -

On 11.07.2011, at 14:34, Steve Thomas wrote:

1) You can use the timer in the playfield category (can change decimal places I believe accurate to milliseconds)

2) Use a "piano roll" and place notes on the roll and have a "needle" move across the roll (or the roll move) and when the "needle" touches the note, it will play that note.

You could have kids play a frequency based on it's y position and have them draw a score.  They could also have the note sustain based on its length.  You can also change the tempo by moving the needle at different speeds.

Stephen

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Christine Murakami <cmurakami <at> columbusschoolforgirls.org> wrote:
Hi everyone!

I have been working with students on creating music lessons, and there is a gap in my knowledge of Etoys that is preventing them from going further in their projects.

Many of them would like a song to play (using the play frequency tile). The only way I can think to do this is to either create a variable counter that counts a beat or to use the playfield counter. Either way, it seems like Etoys ought to have a command that does something like "while counter > 5 and counter <10 play frequency 880" or even using a test in a similar way: "test counter > 5 and counter < 10".  I just can't figure out how to have a sound play for a specific amount of time - especially a few beats into the song. The first few we can fudge, but after that it gets too complicated. I need to help them find a better solution.

I've looked at both Pling and the chord game for suggestions, which helped with other issues but not this one.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated! I've been struggling with this since early May!

Thanks!

Christine
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