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Plugin on IE8

Re: Plugin on IE8

I guess other possibility would be ...
Staff to install will be decided by only target operating system.
Current installer don't care about IE version.
So legacy plugin was installed to his XP box and that might be
incompatible with IE8...
I will try to reproduce.

/Korakurider
p.s. If there is problem please forward this to squeak-dev (I am not
subscribing).

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
> Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed to
> detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working?
> - Bert -
> On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
>
> Hi Long,
> I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev
> or squeakland@...? Please do so, that we can discuss it there :)
> Rita
>
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>
> Von: "Long Nguyen" <long@...>
> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ
> An: "Rita Freudenberg" <rita@...>
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get:
>
> You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed.
> Please download the plugin here and then run the installer.
>
> You could also download DemonCastle1.055.pr and open it in Etoys.
>
> I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet explorer 8
> and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3.
>
> I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives.
>
> I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, but I do
> not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 than move
> everything back to firefox 2.
>
> The regular etoys program/installer works fine though.
>
> Long
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rita Freudenberg
> To: Long Nguyen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
> Hi,
> I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got these
> answers so far:
> Greetings,
> Rita
>
> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>
> Von: Luis Valente <is.valente@...>
> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ
> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> <squeak-dev@...>
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
> Antwort an: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> <squeak-dev@...>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems.
> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin.
>
> Luis
> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@...>
>>
>> Rita Freudenberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> can anybody help here?
>>
>> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help...
>>
>> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Rita
>>>
>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>>
>>>> Von: Long Nguyen <long@...>
>>>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ
>>>> An: squeakland staff <webcontact@...>
>>>> Betreff: squeakland contact
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. Do you
>>>> have any tips to get it running?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> All the best,
> Luís Valente
>
>
>
>
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Re: Squeakfest

Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
> Although more tech centric, it may be interesting to show what
> developer can do in top of Etoys to extend it with new artifacts.
>   
Yes, I think that this would be interesting. Do you think about 
something particular or rather about how to add new things on top of 
Etoys in general? It sure would be a good idea to have both, teachers 
and developers, discussing these kind of things!

Rita
> Hilaire
>
> 2009/5/27 Rita Freudenberg <rita@...>:
>   
>> Dear all,
>>
>> while preparing Squeakfests, we are thinking about what kind of workshops to
>> provide and of having a technical track, too. So what I would like to know,
>> is, what do *you* want to see or hear about on Squeakfest? Please tell us
>> your ideas!
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Rita
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

--

-- 
Rita Freudenberg
FIN-ISG
Otto-von-Guericke-Universität Magdeburg
http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html

Broken links to Kedama examples?

I would like to run the Forest Fire example in Kedama, to see an
example of an Etoys cellular automata simulation.  Could you point me
to an Etoys release and version of Forest Fire code that are
compatible, please?

Here is what I have tried so far:

(a) I downloaded the "Introducing Kedama" pamphlet
http://svn.squeakland.org/pdf/kedama.pdf

However the links in Appendix E (page 36) seem to be broken.  The link is
http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.squeakland.org/fun_projects/kedama/examples/forestfire2.pr
However the Etoys plugin loads nothing, and indeed /fun_projects/ is
'404 Not Found'.

(b) Instead I downloaded
http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/kedama/forestfire2.pr .
However that does not run in the current Etoys (Etoys 3.0, build 2177,
5-Jan-2009 ).  It shows an MVCMenu which, I guess, comes from the
project loading subsystem:
"Reading an instance of KedamaGetPixelValueTile.
Which modern class should it translate to?
Let me type the name now
Let me think about it
Let me find a conversion file on the disk"

(c) "Gallery of projects" bundled with the Mac Etoys.app download
(http://www.squeakland.org/download/)  has 3 Kedama simulations, but
not the one I desire:
ParticlesDyeInWater
ParticlesEpidemic
ParticlesGasModel

Possible ways you might be able to help me:

1. Point me to a version of Forest Fire that runs with Etoys 3.0, or
an updated version of kedama.pdf

2. Point me to an archive of a 2004 or 2005 vintage squeakland release
image (I read reports that "Squeakland 3.8-05" should run
http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/kedama/forestfire2.pr ), or

3. finally, perhaps you could point me to documentation on how Kedama
has changed from 2005 to 2009, so I that I could try to rebuild the
2005 version of Forest Fire to get it running in Etoys 3.0, though
this sounds unlikely from
http://squeakland.org/download/releaseNotes.jsp .    (By the way, are
detailed changes to Kedama logged in Monticello, subversion, a
changeset, or elsewhere?)

David

Re: Squeakfest

2009/6/4 Rita Freudenberg <rita@...>:

> Yes, I think that this would be interesting. Do you think about something
> particular or rather about how to add new things on top of Etoys in general?

My though is we can have more pedagogical added value in Etoys if it
comes or proposes more higher level artifacts, like Kedama, DrGeo.

I know very well the primary school teachers there, the easier they
can get to produce content, the most they will use Etoys.
As it is now, the proposed artifacts in Etoys are for most teachers
too low level. Understand, it need too much investment from the
teachers to produce something tangible, so most of the time they think
"nice, but no thanks, I can't afford it".

Of course, we can alway expose situation where teachers take the
opportunity, but if you look at these situations, there are important
outside support, not exactly the average situation, in the average
school.

I have many though about what kind of artifacts will make Etoys more
teacher friendly. Those ones does not need to be as complex as Kedama
or DrGeo.

I wrote a note about this overall idea of artifacts in Etoys.
http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire/index.php?post/2008/05/01/Operational-thinking

> It sure would be a good idea to have both, teachers and developers,
> discussing these kind of things!

Absolutely.

Hilaire

Re: Plugin on IE8

Hi all.
I could reproduce the problem.
Both are wrong guess 
This is caused by IE8's "ActiveX opt-in feature";  ActiveX controls in
page of non-trusted zone (in Internet settings) needs to be approved.
see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb250471.aspx

I filled http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-244

/Korakurider

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Korakurider<korakurider@...> wrote:
> I guess other possibility would be ...
> Staff to install will be decided by only target operating system.
> Current installer don't care about IE version.
> So legacy plugin was installed to his XP box and that might be
> incompatible with IE8...
> I will try to reproduce.
>
> /Korakurider
> p.s. If there is problem please forward this to squeak-dev (I am not
> subscribing).
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
>> Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed to
>> detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working?
>> - Bert -
>> On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
>>
>> Hi Long,
>> I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev
>> or squeakland@...? Please do so, that we can discuss it
there :)
>> Rita
>>
>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>
>> Von: "Long Nguyen" <long@...>
>> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ
>> An: "Rita Freudenberg" <rita@...>
>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get:
>>
>> You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed.
>> Please download the plugin here and then run the installer.
>>
>> You could also download DemonCastle1.055.pr and open it in Etoys.
>>
>> I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet explorer 8
>> and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3.
>>
>> I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives.
>>
>> I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, but I do
>> not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 than move
>> everything back to firefox 2.
>>
>> The regular etoys program/installer works fine though.
>>
>> Long
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rita Freudenberg
>> To: Long Nguyen
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
>> Hi,
>> I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got these
>> answers so far:
>> Greetings,
>> Rita
>>
>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>
>> Von: Luis Valente <is.valente@...>
>> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ
>> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>> <squeak-dev@...>
>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
>> Antwort an: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>> <squeak-dev@...>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems.
>> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin.
>>
>> Luis
>> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@...>
>>>
>>> Rita Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> can anybody help here?
>>>
>>> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help...
>>>
>>> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Rita
>>>>
>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>>>
>>>>> Von: Long Nguyen <long@...>
>>>>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ
>>>>> An: squeakland staff <webcontact@...>
>>>>> Betreff: squeakland contact
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. Do you
>>>>> have any tips to get it running?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All the best,
>> Luís Valente
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Squeakland mailing list
>> Squeakland@...
>> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Squeakland mailing list
>> Squeakland@...
>> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>>
>>
>

Re: Plugin on IE8

Thanks for the help everyone.
I'll just wait for the new installer and try again later.

Long

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Korakurider" <korakurider@...>
To: "Squeakland.org mailing list" <squeakland@...>
Cc: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" 
<squeak-dev@...>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Plugin on IE8

Hi all.
I could reproduce the problem.
Both are wrong guess 
This is caused by IE8's "ActiveX opt-in feature";  ActiveX controls in
page of non-trusted zone (in Internet settings) needs to be approved.
see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb250471.aspx

I filled http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-244

/Korakurider

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Korakurider<korakurider@...> wrote:
> I guess other possibility would be ...
> Staff to install will be decided by only target operating system.
> Current installer don't care about IE version.
> So legacy plugin was installed to his XP box and that might be
> incompatible with IE8...
> I will try to reproduce.
>
> /Korakurider
> p.s. If there is problem please forward this to squeak-dev (I am not
> subscribing).
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> 
> wrote:
>> Perhaps it's just the javascript that's malfunctioning? It's supposed to
>> detect if the plugin is installed but maybe that is not working?
>> - Bert -
>> On 03.06.2009, at 21:03, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
>>
>> Hi Long,
>> I forward this to the list, too. Are you subscribed to squeak-dev
>> or squeakland@...? Please do so, that we can discuss it there 
>> :)
>> Rita
>>
>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>
>> Von: "Long Nguyen" <long@...>
>> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 19:58:57 MESZ
>> An: "Rita Freudenberg" <rita@...>
>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> To be a little more specific, this is the page that I get:
>>
>> You do not seem to have the Squeakland plugin installed.
>> Please download the plugin here and then run the installer.
>>
>> You could also download DemonCastle1.055.pr and open it in Etoys.
>>
>> I've tried multiple times installing and uninstalling Internet explorer 8
>> and the standard explorer as well as firefox 3.
>>
>> I finally got it to work with firefox 2 in the mozilla archives.
>>
>> I'm guessing that one of my security settings are locking it out, but I 
>> do
>> not know which one. I would rather keep everything in IE8 than move
>> everything back to firefox 2.
>>
>> The regular etoys program/installer works fine though.
>>
>> Long
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rita Freudenberg
>> To: Long Nguyen
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
>> Hi,
>> I forwarded your question to the squeak-dev mailing list and got these
>> answers so far:
>> Greetings,
>> Rita
>>
>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>
>> Von: Luis Valente <is.valente@...>
>> Datum: 3. Juni 2009 10:23:43 MESZ
>> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>> <squeak-dev@...>
>> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Fwd: squeakland contact
>> Antwort an: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
>> <squeak-dev@...>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm using IE8 on Vista business without problems.
>> Must check activeX permission on launching the plugin.
>>
>> Luis
>> 2009/6/2 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@...>
>>>
>>> Rita Freudenberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> can anybody help here?
>>>
>>> A bit more specific description of "trouble" would help...
>>>
>>> I haven't installed IE8 yet, maybe someone with IE8 could check?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Rita
>>>>
>>>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>>>>
>>>>> Von: Long Nguyen <long@...>
>>>>> Datum: 2. Juni 2009 19:28:36 MESZ
>>>>> An: squeakland staff <webcontact@...>
>>>>> Betreff: squeakland contact
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I'm having trouble running the plugin on IE8 with win xp pro. Do 
>>>>> you
>>>>> have any tips to get it running?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All the best,
>> Luís Valente
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Squeakland mailing list
>> Squeakland@...
>> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Squeakland@...
>> http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
>>
>>
>

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Re: Broken links to Kedama examples?

  I or somebody should've done this before.  So here is a version that
works in the Etoys and Squeakland image:

http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr

  Please make improvements and share.

  Thank you for reminding me!

-- Yoshiki

Re: Broken links to Kedama examples?

Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:

> http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/ForestFire.001.pr

Wow! That was quick.

This brand new version works beautifully on clicking the green button
("KedamaWorld setup").  I used the current Etoys (Etoys 3.0, build
2177, 5-Jan-2009, also known as Squeakland-OLPC latest update: # 2177,
from http://www.squeakland.org/download/ ) on a Mac.

Thanks Yoshiki: it is a fascinating simulation.