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Torsten Bergmann | 1 Apr 09:03
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There is a new page on the pharo website [1] with an overview
on all plugins available for squeak and pharo.

Plugins should be easily downloadable so one dont has to 
rebuild them from scratch again and again. This is especially
for newbies with no knowledge of the tool chain to build plugins.

Feel free to send comments and build/send plugins for the various
OS platforms. The page is maintained by m.rueger at acm.org 

Thank
Torsten

[1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/VMPluginOverview
[2] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-March/007231.html

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Andreas Raab | 1 Apr 09:09
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Re: Build, send and comment on Plugins page

Good idea. Any reason not to maintain the page at Squeak.org in (or 
near) the downloads section? I think this would make it easier for 
people to find it when they're looking for a download.

Cheers,
   - Andreas

Torsten Bergmann wrote:
> There is a new page on the pharo website [1] with an overview
> on all plugins available for squeak and pharo.
> 
> Plugins should be easily downloadable so one dont has to 
> rebuild them from scratch again and again. This is especially
> for newbies with no knowledge of the tool chain to build plugins.
> 
> Feel free to send comments and build/send plugins for the various
> OS platforms. The page is maintained by m.rueger at acm.org 
> 
> Thank
> Torsten
> 
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/VMPluginOverview
> [2] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-March/007231.html
> 
>
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Bert Freudenberg | 1 Apr 10:13
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Re: Build, send and comment on Plugins page

On 01.04.2009, at 09:03, Torsten Bergmann wrote:

> There is a new page on the pharo website [1] with an overview
> on all plugins available for squeak and pharo.
>
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/VMPluginOverview

That's a great start! Very useful potentially.

IMHO listing all the plugins that are usually built as internal is  
more confusing than helpful. At least that should be mentioned (or  
they should get their own table?). At the very least use a lower-case  
"i" to indicate "internal", I wondered what the vertical bar meant ;)

Plugins missing include Rome, DBus, GStreamer:

http://squeaksource.com/Rome.html
http://squeaksource.com/dbus.html
http://squeaksource.com/GStreamer.html

- Bert -
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Torsten Bergmann | 1 Apr 10:35
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Build, send and comment on Plugins page

Hi Michael,

since I cross posted to squeak-dev, vm-dev and pharo-dev (yes I know
its bad) here some comments from Andreas and Bert from squeak-dev:

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-April/date.html

maybe you could add Rome, DBus, GStreamer

There is also DShowVideoDecoderPlugin for Webcams on Windows. 
DLL and link at:
http://www.is.titech.ac.jp/~ohshima/squeak/DShowVideo/index.html

And I remember a Win32FileDialogPlugin (the SAR includes the DLL):
http://kminami.fc2web.com/Squeak/Goodies/Win32FileDialogPlugin/index.html

Thanks
Torsten
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Martin Drautzburg | 1 Apr 12:49
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Re: Squak main window oddly transparent

On Tuesday, 31. March 2009 10:41:24 Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> On 31.03.2009, at 08:30, Martin Drautzburg wrote:
> > Since I am using compiz on linux, the mail squeak window looks
> > somewhat
> > transparent or actually just mangled. It is not really transparent
> > but the
> > stuff behind it affects the way things are displayed. Often it helps
> > to set
> > the color depth to 32, but even that is difficult to do, because I
> > can hardly
> > read the menus.

> Use the 3.10-4 VM.
>
> - Bert -

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Keith Hodges | 1 Apr 14:46
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Re: Build, send and comment on Plugins page

Torsten Bergmann wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> since I cross posted to squeak-dev, vm-dev and pharo-dev (yes I know
> its bad) here some comments from Andreas and Bert from squeak-dev:
>
>   
I dont think it is bad at all.

Keith
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-April/date.html
>
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Andreas Raab | 1 Apr 17:34
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Re: Build, send and comment on Plugins page

Torsten Bergmann wrote:
> since I cross posted to squeak-dev, vm-dev and pharo-dev (yes I know
> its bad)

Out of curiosity, why exactly is this bad? Isn't the open exchange of 
ideas a good thing?

Looking at the web page I think the distinction between "internal" and 
"external" plugins is superficial for most users. I'd rather distinguish 
between plugins that are "bundled" (come prebuilt with a VM download) 
and those that are not. Consequently I think I would change the format 
to be along the lines of, e.g.,

Plugin          MacOS     Windows    Linux      Source
B2DPlugin      (bundled) (bundled)  (bundled)  VMMaker
DShowVDPlugin   -        download    -         ...

In other words, for the ones that aren't bundled we provide a link to a 
download location if there is one. Also, I think for some plugins 
(FT2Plugin for example) it would be worthwhile to let people know since 
when they have been bundled with the VMs otherwise they might expect 
that their 3.10.x VM includes it where really the support only started 
with 3.11.1.

Cheers,
   - Andreas
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Torsten Bergmann | 1 Apr 15:00
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Build, send and comment on Plugins page

Keith wrote:
>I dont think it is bad at all.

I disagree - since you fork discussion (and get
answers on different places) - this is bad.
Only a few people have subscribed all lists.  

Bye
T.

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Torsten Bergmann | 1 Apr 20:30
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Re: Build, send and comment on Plugins page

Andreas Raab
>Out of curiosity, why exactly is this bad? Isn't the open exchange of 
>ideas a good thing?

Again: the one and only reason I define crossposting as "bad" is
       that answers may only appear on one mailinglist 
       (like yours only on squeak-dev) - since typically not all
       people subscribed to all the lists (squeak-dev, vm-dev,
       pharo-dev, ...) and therefore will not reply to all.

       So discusssion forks and if a user reads only one list
       he will not benefit from answers on the other list. 

Bye
Torsten

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Ken Causey | 1 Apr 20:55
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Re: Squeak Oversight Board Blog

I have now setup a redirection so you can use the hostname

board.squeak.org

to access this site.

Ken

On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 13:53 -0500, Ken Causey wrote:
> It has been mentioned before but I want to make it clear that the
> current Squeak Oversight Board (the team previously known as either the
> SqueakFoundation Board or the Squeak Leadership Team) has started a blog
> where we will post our thoughts and plans and where we want to receive
> your comments.
> 
> http://squeakboard.wordpress.com/
> 
> Please visit this site if you have not already and check back regularly.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ken
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