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Matthew Fulmer | 1 Feb 01:10
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Re: Open meeting regarding the Squeak Release Team

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 07:38:20AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
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> El 1/31/08 1:39 AM, "Matthew Fulmer" <tapplek <at> gmail.com> escribi?:
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> > Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a
> > meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC.
> 
> Sorry, but I said in the other list and to Matthew could be difficult for me
> this Saturday at 1600 UTC.
> I on the process of moving to new place, so until all process finish...

If you can't make the meeting, I think it should be rescheduled,
since the primary reason I'm arranging it is so Keith and I can
put our Ideas with yours and try to form a plan. 

In other words, we can't really start without you.

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Blake | 1 Feb 01:14
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Re: Editing class method sources in single place

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:47 -0800, tim Rowledge <tim <at> rowledge.org> wrote:

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> On 31-Jan-08, at 10:00 AM, Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
>> Smalltalks Editors could gain much by
>> just beeing a bit more Emacsish ....
> NNnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> <runs away, very fast>
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Oh, a vi fan, eh?
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tim Rowledge | 1 Feb 01:19

Re: Editing class method sources in single place


On 31-Jan-08, at 4:14 PM, Blake wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:47 -0800, tim Rowledge <tim <at> rowledge.org>  
> wrote:
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>> On 31-Jan-08, at 10:00 AM, Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
>>> Smalltalks Editors could gain much by
>>> just beeing a bit more Emacsish ....
>> NNnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>> <runs away, very fast>
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> Oh, a vi fan, eh?
Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!

No. No way. No how. I like my ParagraphEditor thank you very much. If  
I *have* to use a not-Smalltalk text editor then I prefer StrongEd  
(google it) and I can tolerate TextWrangler - just barely.

tim
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Sebastian Sastre | 1 Feb 02:18

RE: Editing class method sources in single place

> On 31-Jan-08, at 10:00 AM, Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
> > Smalltalks Editors could gain much by
> > just beeing a bit more Emacsish ....
> NNnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> <runs away, very fast>
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> tim
> --

+1 here. 

Why anyone would wish to go backwards todays when user experience is
starting to gett the place it allways deserved? 

The tool formats the worker who uses it with time. So it influences the
product the worker makes. I don't wish Emacs experiences nor even near them.
Not for me, not for my end users, nor other programers. Think in better
things: heuristic and intuitive tools from UI to function. Can't try harder
but forget investing in cryptic unhuman UI's for the good of all our brains.

Cheers,

Sebastian
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Blake | 1 Feb 02:21
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Re: Editing class method sources in single place

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:19:51 -0800, tim Rowledge <tim <at> rowledge.org> wrote:

>>> NNnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>> <runs away, very fast>
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>> Oh, a vi fan, eh?
> Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!
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> No. No way. No how.

Hee hee. We used to use SPF....
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tim Rowledge | 1 Feb 02:24

Re: Editing class method sources in single place


On 31-Jan-08, at 5:21 PM, Blake wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:19:51 -0800, tim Rowledge <tim <at> rowledge.org>  
> wrote:
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>>>> NNnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>>> <runs away, very fast>
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>>> Oh, a vi fan, eh?
>> Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!
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>> No. No way. No how.
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> Hee hee. We used to use SPF....
.. and I wrote a thesis for part of my first degree using TECO on a  
Tek thermal printer terminal. But I wouldn't recommend it to anyone  
wanting to actually enjoy the creative process.

tim
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Edgar J. De Cleene | 1 Feb 03:29
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Re: Open meeting regarding the Squeak Release Team


El 1/31/08 9:10 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" <tapplek <at> gmail.com> escribió:

> In other words, we can't really start without you.

I'm unimportant.

Lets me paste here the same mail I send to release team mail list so all
here could have clues and give very important feedback.

> If people buy the idea of start from 3.8.2 , all could be easier.
> 3.8.2 don't have Monticello or Traits built into !
> 
> I resume my idea , tested in private experiments.
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> 1) Shrink from top, in same way as 3.10, cutting all we know could go to some
> repository and loaded again as if never was cut. Goal is going as close of
MinimalMorphic is possible now.

> 2) Add some I have now in FunSqueak, that is the Javier unistall, and some
> convenience code.
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> 3) Run some Pavel code for we be sure have the latest 3.10 code .
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> 4) Port all relevant code from all forks (OLPC, Sophie, Croquet, Squeakland,
> etc)
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> 5) Decide of the .sources.
> I like the Maurice Raab scheme , but can't complete the process in Mac, XP or
> Linux.
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Blake | 1 Feb 02:36
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Re: Editing class method sources in single place

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:18:10 -0800, Sebastian Sastre  
<ssastre <at> seaswork.com> wrote:

>> On 31-Jan-08, at 10:00 AM, Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
>> > Smalltalks Editors could gain much by
>> > just beeing a bit more Emacsish ....
>> NNnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>> <runs away, very fast>
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>> tim
>> --
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> +1 here.
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> Why anyone would wish to go backwards todays when user experience is
> starting to gett the place it allways deserved?

Fredrich may not have been joking but I most certainly was.
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itsme213 | 1 Feb 02:55
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Re: Editing class method sources in single place

"Brian Brown" <rbb <at> techgame.net> wrote

> A lot of this conversation smacks of Ned Konz's Starbrowser - it's on 
> squeakmap, but I don't think it will run on newer stuff than 3.7  without 
> some love.

Yes!!

Some more screenshots of its VW predecessor at 
http://homepages.ulb.ac.be/~rowuyts/StarBrowser/screenshots.html
and its design at
http://homepages.ulb.ac.be/~rowuyts/StarBrowser/index.html

It seems to establish working contexts nicely, with a lot of extensibility 
on what services to use on a selected element (including groups or 
classifications) in that context.

It does not include any example of viewing a group of methods 
simultaneously, but the UML diagram certainly simultaneously shows all 
classes in the Soul* classification, so it would probably fit into the 
framework.

- Sophie
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Juan Vuletich | 1 Feb 02:02
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Re: Promoting Squeak/Smalltalk

Part of what those libraries do is already in Squeak. Additional stuff 
is freely available in the web (for example my PhotoSqueak image 
processing framework). For sure there is more to be done. I wouldn't 
call that a limitation. It's just that people who needs it should get 
together and do it. That's all. Those Python libraries exists because 
there is a large community of people building and using them.

Cheers,
Juan Vuletich

stephane ducasse wrote:
> Somebody should work on that nd I uderstand your point.
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> On Jan 30, 2008, at 12:31 AM, Robert F. Scheer wrote:
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>> I've only been using Squeak a very short time (for robot main program)
>> and would like to continue, however a rather serious limitation for
>> robotics is computer vision and numerical methods used for things like
>> Kalman and particle filters.  Python, for example, has PIL (Python
>> Imaging Library), numPy (numerical methods) and sciPy (scientific
>> methods), among others.
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>> http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/
>> http://www.scipy.org/
>> http://numpy.scipy.org/
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>> These libraries greatly enhance Python for use in technology fields.
>>
>> I'm too much a novice to venture any opinions on how this point of
>> distinction should or could be considered by the Smalltalk community,
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