itsme213 | 1 Nov 20:05 2007
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Question / Thought about absence of any standard online help

Is there some reason why the myriad tools in Squeak don't have even a 
placeholder button or menu item for online help? From my newbies point of 
view it is very frustrating to try to do something (refactor to extract a 
method with a parameter, most recently) and be confronted with a totally new 
editor (Selector editor, in this case) and not have any idea about what the 
panels and buttons mean (Up? Down? Ok?). I finally figured it out, but it 
took 15 minutes of blind trial and error. It is very disheartening and a 
huge hurdle for someone who wants to get started with Squeak.

Shouldn't online help be a standard part of any IDE framework, making it 
easy for tool writers to add a few lines of online help in a standard way? 
Perhaps include some url links? Heck, if the tool even had a standard link 
(e.g. on SystemWindow) to a standard place on a Squeak wikis, anyone (even 
me) could contribute to the help.

And yes, I know that getting those lines written is a separate matter.
itsme213 | 1 Nov 20:39 2007
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Re: Question / Thought about absence of any standard onlinehelp

That sounded a lot like a complaint ... it was not meant to be one! Is there 
someplace (current or in the works) for standard rudimentary online help?

"itsme213" <itsme213 <at> hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:fgd80g$8vg$1 <at> ger.gmane.org...
> Is there some reason why the myriad tools in Squeak don't have even a 
> placeholder button or menu item for online help? From my newbies point of 
> view it is very frustrating to try to do something (refactor to extract a 
> method with a parameter, most recently) and be confronted with a totally 
> new editor (Selector editor, in this case) and not have any idea about 
> what the panels and buttons mean (Up? Down? Ok?). I finally figured it 
> out, but it took 15 minutes of blind trial and error. It is very 
> disheartening and a huge hurdle for someone who wants to get started with 
> Squeak.
>
> Shouldn't online help be a standard part of any IDE framework, making it 
> easy for tool writers to add a few lines of online help in a standard way? 
> Perhaps include some url links? Heck, if the tool even had a standard link 
> (e.g. on SystemWindow) to a standard place on a Squeak wikis, anyone (even 
> me) could contribute to the help.
>
> And yes, I know that getting those lines written is a separate matter. 
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Re: A question of Squeak


Hi,

David Corking wrote:
> On 10/27/07, Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote:
> 
>> Hi All and thanks Edgar, David and Karl for your answers,
> 
> Edgar must have replied privately - I didn't see it.
> 
>> The person who made the question is one of my students. I invited him to
>> ask here because I believe that becoming part of a community of practice
>> is the best way to learn (well was nice to know that this "intuition" is
>> deeply studied in the book Communities of Practice by Etienne Wenger).
> 
> Some people don't like to answer schoolwork questions on mailing
> lists, but as long as it is encouraged by the teacher it is ok with
> me.
> 
> Luis - Next time it might help if you explain more detail about your
> project in the first mail.  But don't worry, I think this is what the
> Newbies mailing list is for.
> 
> There is a BotsInc mailing list at:
> 
> http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/botsinc/community/

Well, we try our best before asking on the mailing list, but I don't see
this learning process as a different one from the people who is learning
from questions that emerged in their own research project instead of
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Michael van der Gulik | 2 Nov 10:28 2007
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Re: Question / Thought about absence of any standard online help

itsme213 wrote:
> Is there some reason why the myriad tools in Squeak don't have even a 
> placeholder button or menu item for online help? From my newbies point of 
> view it is very frustrating to try to do something (refactor to extract a 
> method with a parameter, most recently) and be confronted with a totally new 
> editor (Selector editor, in this case) and not have any idea about what the 
> panels and buttons mean (Up? Down? Ok?). I finally figured it out, but it 
> took 15 minutes of blind trial and error. It is very disheartening and a 
> huge hurdle for someone who wants to get started with Squeak.
>
> Shouldn't online help be a standard part of any IDE framework, making it 
> easy for tool writers to add a few lines of online help in a standard way? 
> Perhaps include some url links? Heck, if the tool even had a standard link 
> (e.g. on SystemWindow) to a standard place on a Squeak wikis, anyone (even 
> me) could contribute to the help.
>
> And yes, I know that getting those lines written is a separate matter.
>   
Hello... umm... Itsme.

I've been using Squeak for a few years and I couldn't agree more.

There are documentation and tutorials at:

http://www.squeak.org/Documentation

This page is the "official" page containing links to Squeak
documentation. There are also books - the old Smalltalk books are still
largely relevant, and the tools are still used in the same way.

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Herbert König | 2 Nov 10:40 2007
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Re: Re: Question / Thought about absence of any standard onlinehelp

Hello itsyou213,

>> Is there some reason why the myriad tools in Squeak don't have even a
>> placeholder button or menu item for online help? From my newbies point of

Squeak has balloon help which is like windows hints but bigger. This
is easy to attach to any morph.

>> view it is very frustrating to try to do something (refactor to extract a
>> method with a parameter, most recently) and be confronted with a totally
>> new editor (Selector editor, in this case) and not have any idea about
>> what the panels and buttons mean (Up? Down? Ok?). I finally figured it

They have balloon help, just hover over the button.

>> out, but it took 15 minutes of blind trial and error. It is very 
>> disheartening and a huge hurdle for someone who wants to get started with
>> Squeak.
That one took long for me too and I still haven't written a note so
it's a bit of try and error every time I use it. With the other tools
I had no such problems. Pretty much know one know all.

As for documentation: search the swiki (wiki.squeak.org) for
documentation team or contact Matthew Fulmer if you want to help.

And with Squeak by example from Stephane Ducasse Squeak has a recent and
up to date introduction.

Anyway, Welcome here!

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David Corking | 2 Nov 13:13 2007

Re: A question of Squeak

>. Are you using the Bots Inc image? what is your error message?

Yes.  But my hard disk broke yesterday (unrelated to Squeak).   I will
get a new disk, install BotsInc on it, and investigate.
itsme213 | 2 Nov 15:32 2007
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Re: Re: Question / Thought about absence of any standardonlinehelp

> Squeak has balloon help which is like windows hints but bigger. This
> is easy to attach to any morph.

Good point. I still think newbies would benefit a lot from a standard help 
button or menu item, even if it results in just showing a class comment or 
launching a browser to a relevant wiki page (help within Squeak linking to 
wiki pages would be more helpful than just the wiki).

Thanks for the info.
Prashanth Hebbar | 2 Nov 16:11 2007
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Problems with FlashPlayerWindow

Hello:

I am trying to get a swf file opened in Squeak:
1. In Squeak 3.9, I do, open>file, and select the swf file from the relevant directory, I get a blank Flash Window Player opened. In Squeak 3.10 image: I get a editor window with junk characters.
2. I also tried reading the flash file using the FlashFileReader class by passing it to a local variable. On doing an inspect, I can see that the variable contains something but cannot find a way to display it.
3. I tried opening FlashPlayerMorph, FlashPlayerWindow from the new morph with no luck. When I drag and drop the swf file, all that happens is that a new empty player window appears and nothing else.

I did a search on the mailing list and came across a similar question which had presumably gone unanswered. Can someone please help.

Thanks in advance.

- Prashanth

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itsme213 | 2 Nov 17:40 2007
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How do different "package"-like things relate

I see package-like things in many places:
- Universe Browser
- Monticello Browser
- SqueakMap Browser

Do all these have the same notion of a package, and the same source for 
their packages? I am a bit confused because I see some "package"-like 
instances in one browser that don't seem to match what I see in the others.

Thanks.
Edgar J. De Cleene | 2 Nov 18:33 2007
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Re: Problems with FlashPlayerWindow


El 11/2/07 12:11 PM, "Prashanth Hebbar" <hebbarp <at> gmail.com> escribió:

>  In Squeak 3.10 image: I get a editor window with junk characters.
Flash is one of things not more in 3.10 base, so at this time you could't
play with it.
Anyway the last time Flash works in Squeak , was for old version 3.

Edgar

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