Jan-Philipp Steghöfer | 2 May 09:21 2016

Extended Deadline: SASO 2016 - IEEE International Conference on Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing Systems, September 12-16, Augsburg, Germany

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CALL FOR PAPERS 

Tenth IEEE International Conference on Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing Systems 
(SASO 2016) 

EXTENDED DEADLINES:
Extended abstract submission: May 13, 2016
Extended paper submission: May 23, 2016

Augsburg, Germany; 12-16 September 2016 
http://uni-augsburg.de/saso2016
 <at> SASO2016Conf
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Part of FAS* - Foundation and Applications of Self* Computing Conferences 
Co-located with: 
The International Conference on Cloud and Autonomic Computing (ICCAC 2016)
http://iccac2016.se.rit.edu

Due to popular demand, the submission deadlines for both abstracts and papers have been extended:
Extended abstract submission: May 13, 2016
Extended paper submission: May 23, 2016

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Aims and Scope 
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The aim of the Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing systems conference series (SASO) is to provide a forum
for the foundations of a principled approach to engineering systems, networks, and services based on
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Alan Kay | 30 Apr 14:26 2016
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Re: Missing Final Annual Report?

Hi

My major error in this project -- it turned out to be interesting, but hurt one very important part -- was to switch goals in mid-project from "running in real-time on a super computer" to "running in real-time on a laptop".

"Real-time" meaning that all the interactive parts were within the range of what humans expect when they deal with a user interface -- i.e. a completely usable system.

This decision change happened because Dan Amelang's "Nile" graphics was surprisingly efficient as well as being super tiny (< 500 lines of Nile code). This got me thinking about doing live demos in talks, and that some of this could help the design of the system.

However, it moved the pragmatics from "paying money for HW" and working on the semantics (which was the original aim) to imposing pragmatics in the software.

We did get something quite impressive on a laptop, but ultimately I think we didn't have enough cycles to both design/invent and optimize.

We had this problem at Parc when we couldn't replace the Altos in a timely way. This led to some excellent software engineering, but the new design and invention part got blunted.

Mea culpa!

Cheers

Alan


From: Kartik Agaram <akkartik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Kay <alan.nemo-/E1597aS9LQ@public.gmane.orgm>
Cc: Dirk Pranke <dpranke-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>; Dave Crossland <dave-yX7OcqChgmE@public.gmane.org>; "fonc <at> mailman.vpri.org" <fonc-xGejAJT2w6y5VyjuQBxIBA@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fonc] Missing Final Annual Report?

Does anyone know/remember what is meant by "real-time" in this passage?

"..we got interested in seeing if we could run in real-time on laptops, and this part of the design and optimization fought some of the goals." ("Reflections", http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001b_steps.pdf, page 15)

I saw the phrase in several places in the 2012 reports, but didn't see any references to "real-time" in prior years, except for this one in 2010:

"Nile itself can be made in a little over 100 lines of code in the OMeta metalanguage, and optimized to run acceptably in real‑time (also in OMeta) in another 700 lines. OMeta can be made in itself and optimized in about 100 lines of code." (http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf, page 4)

Thanks,
Kartik
http://akkartik.name/about



<div><div>
<div>Hi <br>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>My major error in this project -- it turned out to be interesting, but hurt one very important part -- was to switch goals in mid-project from "running in real-time on a super computer" to "running in real-time on a laptop".</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"Real-time" meaning that all the interactive parts were within the range of what humans expect when they deal with a user interface -- i.e. a completely usable system.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">This decision change happened because Dan Amelang's "Nile" graphics was surprisingly efficient as well as being super tiny (&lt; 500 lines of Nile code). This got me thinking about doing live demos in talks, and that some of this could help the design of the system.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">However, it moved the pragmatics from "paying money for HW" and working on the semantics (which was the original aim) to imposing pragmatics in the software. <br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">We did get something quite impressive on a laptop, but ultimately I think we didn't have enough cycles to both design/invent and optimize.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">We had this problem at Parc when we couldn't replace the Altos in a timely way. This led to some excellent software engineering, but the new design and invention part got blunted.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Mea culpa!</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Cheers</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Alan<br>
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<div class="yahoo_quoted">  <div> <div> <div dir="ltr">  <span>From:</span> Kartik Agaram &lt;akkartik@...&gt;<br><span>To:</span> Alan Kay &lt;alan.nemo@...m&gt; <br><span>Cc:</span> Dirk Pranke &lt;dpranke@...&gt;; Dave Crossland &lt;dave@...&gt;; "fonc <at> mailman.vpri.org" &lt;fonc@...&gt;<br><span>Sent:</span> Friday, April 29, 2016 3:13 PM<br><span>Subject:</span> Re: [Fonc] Missing Final Annual Report?<br> </div> <div class="y_msg_container">
<br><div><div><div dir="ltr">Does anyone know/remember what is meant by "real-time" in this passage?<br clear="none"><div class="yiv4394080884gmail_quote">
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 got interested in seeing if we could run in real-time on laptops, and 
this part of the design and optimization fought some of the goals." ("Reflections", <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001b_steps.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001b_steps.pdf</a>, page 15)<br clear="none">
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 saw the phrase in several places in the 2012 reports, but didn't see 
any references to "real-time" in prior years, except for this one in 
2010:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>"Nile&nbsp;itself&nbsp;can&nbsp;be&nbsp;made&nbsp;in&nbsp;a&nbsp;little&nbsp;over&nbsp;100&nbsp;lines&nbsp;of
 code in the OMeta metalanguage, and optimized to run acceptably in 
real&#8209;time (also in OMeta) in another 700 lines. OMeta can be made in 
itself and optimized in about 100 lines of code." (<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf</a>, page 4)<br clear="none">
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<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://akkartik.name/about">http://akkartik.name/about</a><div class="yiv4394080884yqt6399668912"><br clear="none"></div>
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Dave Crossland | 30 Apr 00:15 2016
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Re: Missing Final Annual Report?


On 29 April 2016 at 18:13, Kartik Agaram <akkartik-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Does anyone know/remember what is meant by "real-time" in this passage?

My personal interpretation was that it meant 'live interactive' 
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 April 2016 at 18:13, Kartik Agaram <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:akkartik@..." target="_blank">akkartik@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Does anyone know/remember what is meant by "real-time" in this passage?<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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</div>
<br>My personal interpretation was that it meant 'live interactive'&nbsp;
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Damien Clark | 27 Apr 00:18 2016
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Dave Crossland | 22 Apr 17:34 2016
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Missing Final Annual Report?


Hi!

I read that VRPI ran for 6 years instead of 5, that is, beyond 2011 and into 2012. 

But I couldn't see a 6th report in http://vpri.org/html/writings.php - these are the 5 I found:





2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf

Was a report made for the end of the NSF funding in 2012?

--
Cheers
Dave
<div><div dir="ltr">
<div><br></div>Hi!<div><br></div>
<div>I read that VRPI ran for 6 years instead of 5, that is, beyond 2011 and into 2012.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>But I couldn't see a 6th report in <a href="http://vpri.org/html/writings.php">http://vpri.org/html/writings.php</a> - these are the 5 I found:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2007 <a href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf</a><br>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2008&nbsp;<a href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf</a>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2009&nbsp;<a href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf</a>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2010&nbsp;<a href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf</a>
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2011&nbsp;<a href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf</a><br clear="all"><div><br></div>
<div>Was a report made for the end of the NSF funding in 2012?</div>
<div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>Dave</div>
</div>
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Dave Crossland | 17 Apr 22:53 2016
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The future of VPRI?


Hi

I ran into Walter Bender at the FSF Libre Planet event last month, and have since been been reading up on OLPC. I was a G1G1 customer 8 years ago, but I lost interest in the project and stopped paying attention soon after. I have been intensely curious what happened to OLPC in the last 8 years, and this naturally led me to VPRI. 

So I thought I'd say hello on this list and ask you all what the roadmap looks like for VPRI in the coming years? :)

--
Cheers
Dave
<div><div dir="ltr">
<div><br></div>Hi<div><br></div>
<div>I ran into Walter Bender at the FSF Libre Planet event last month, and have since been been reading up on OLPC. I was a G1G1 customer 8 years ago, but I lost interest in the project and stopped paying attention soon after. I have been intensely curious what happened to OLPC in the last 8 years, and this naturally led me to VPRI.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><div>So I thought I'd say hello on this list and ask you all what the roadmap looks like for VPRI in the coming years? :)</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>Dave</div>
</div>
</div></div>
Jan-Philipp Steghöfer | 15 Apr 10:37 2016

Last Mile: SASO 2016 -- 10th IEEE International Conference on Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing Systems

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CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS

Tenth IEEE International Conference on Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing Systems 
(SASO 2016) 

and co-located events

Augsburg, Germany; 12-16 September 2016 
http://uni-augsburg.de/saso2016
 <at> SASO2016Conf
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Part of FAS* - Foundation and Applications of Self* Computing Conferences 
Co-located with: 
The International Conference on Cloud and Autonomic Computing (ICCAC 2016)
http://iccac2016.se.rit.edu

Call for Papers: https://saso2016.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/call_for_papers.html
Call for Posters and Demos: https://saso2016.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/call_for_posters_and_demos.html
Call for Doctoral Symposium: https://saso2016.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/call_for_ds.html

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Important Dates 
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Main Conference Abstract submission: May 2, 2016 
Main Conference Paper submission: May 9, 2016
Main Conference Notification: June 23, 2016

Poster and Demo Submission deadline: June 10, 2016
Poster and Demo Notification: July 8, 2016

Doctoral Symposium Abstract Submission due: May 29, 2016
Doctoral Symposium Paper Submission due: June 12, 2016
Doctoral Symposium Notifications due: July 10, 2016

Conference: September 12-16, 2016

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Call for Papers
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https://saso2016.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/call_for_papers.html

The aim of the Self-Adaptive and Self-Organizing systems conference series (SASO) is to provide a forum
for the foundations of a principled approach to engineering systems, networks, and services based on
self-adaptation and self-organization. The complexity of current and emerging networks, software,
and services, especially when dealing with dynamics in the environment and problem domain, has led the
software engineering, distributed systems, and management communities to look for inspiration in
diverse fields (e.g., complex systems, control theory, artificial intelligence, sociology, and
biology) to find new ways of designing and managing such computing systems. In this endeavor,
self-organization and self-adaptation have emerged as two promising interrelated approaches. They
form the basis for many other self-* properties, such as self-configuration, self-healing, or
self-optimization. Systems exhibiting such properties are often referred to as self-* systems. 

The topics of interest include, but are not limited to: 

- Systems theory: theoretical frameworks and models; biologically- and socially-inspired paradigms;
inter-operation of self-* mechanisms; 
- Systems techniques: techniques to specify and analyze self-* systems, like statistical physics,
machine learning, multi-agent systems, or other novel techniques;
- Systems engineering: reusable mechanisms, design patterns, architectures, methodologies; software
and middleware development frameworks and methods, platforms 
and toolkits; hardware; self-* materials; governance of self-* systems, emergent behavior in self-* systems;
- System properties: robustness, resilience, and stability; emergence; computational awareness and
self-awareness; reflection; anti-fragility;
- Cyber-physical and socio-technical systems: human factors and visualization; self-* social
computers; crowdsourcing and collective awareness; human-in-the-loop;
- Data-driven approaches: data mining; machine learning; data science and other statistical techniques
to analyze, understand, and manage behavior of complex systems;
- Education: experience reports; curricula; innovative course concepts; methodological aspects of
self-* systems education; 
- Ethics and Humanities in self-* systems;
- Applications and experiences with self-* systems in any of the following domains:
  + Smart-*: application of self-* principles to smart-grids, smart-cities, smart-environments, smart-vehicles
  + Industrial automation: embedded self-* systems, adaptive industrial plants, smart industries
(Industry 4.0) 
  + Transportation: autonomous vehicles, coordination between vehicles, pedestrians, and
infrastructure, and traffic optimization
  + Unmanned systems: aerial vehicles, undersea vehicles, other robotic platforms
  + Internet of Things: challenges, applications, and benefits; self-* for network management, self-*
applied to Cybersecurity

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Call for Posters and Demos
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https://saso2016.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/call_for_posters_and_demos.html

The tenth SASO conference continues its tradition of offering poster and demo sessions, which are a great
opportunity for an interactive presentation of emerging ideas, late-breaking results, experiences,
and challenges on SASO topics. These sessions are informal and highly interactive, and allow authors and
participants to engage in in-depth discussions about the presented work from which new collaborations,
ideas, and solutions can emerge.

Posters should cover the same key areas as Research Papers and present original, cutting-edge ideas
inclusive of speculative/provocative ones. Proposals of new research directions and innovative
interdisciplinary approaches are also welcome. 

Demos may target virtual systems (e.g., software applications), physical systems (e.g., robots or
sensor networks), or cyber-physical systems combining the two. Physical systems might be presented
either with real equipment, by simulation, or hybrid solutions using both simulations and real
platforms. Submissions which highlight the utility and general applicability of the contribution -
whether short, medium or long term -- are particularly solicited, and interactivity of a demo is
considered a further asset.

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Call for Doctoral Symposium
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https://saso2016.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/call_for_ds.html

The FAS* Doctoral Symposium provides an international forum for PhD Students working in research areas
addressed by FAS*. In this forum, PhD students will get unique opportunities to subject their research to
the scrutiny of external experts, gain experience in the presentation of research, connect to peers and
experts addressing similar problems, and get advice from a panel of internationally leading researchers.
Different from the technical tracks of the conference, the FAS* Doctoral Symposium focuses on the
specific needs of young researchers at the beginning of their career. As such, particular emphasis will
be placed on a critical and constructive feedback that shall help participants to successfully conclude
their PhD studies.

PhD students working in any area addressed by the FAS* conferences are invited to submit a Doctoral
Symposium paper in which they describe the key motivation and objectives of their research project, and
reflect on the methodology as well as the current status of their PhD studies.

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Conference General Chair 
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Wolfgang Reif (SASO)
University of Augsburg, DE

Naveen Sharma (ICCAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology, USA

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Program Chairs SASO
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Giacomo Cabri, 
University of Modena and Reggio Emilia, IT

Gauthier Picard, 
École Nationale Supérieure des Mines de Saint-Étienne, FR

Niranjan Suri, 
Florida Institute of Human and Machine Cognition, FL, USA 

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Program Chairs ICCAC
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Indranil Gupta
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, USA

Yixin Diao
IBM T. J. Watson Research Center, USA

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Casey Ransberger | 7 Apr 03:40 2016
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Painting a virtual bike shed

I'm working on a user interface which will most of the time be interacted with by people who are in a state of distress. It's vital that the UI be as calming as possible. I've gotten to the part where I have to choose colors to put on the screen, and I've done a web search, but most of the links are about interior decorating and don't exactly smack of science. 


a) not sure that what works for decorating will necessarily work for UI

b) I'd like to read any good research out there

My gut says blue, green, or a combination would be best, but what saturation to use? Etc.

TIA,

Casey Ransberger
<div>
<p>I'm working on a user interface which will most of the time be interacted with by people who are in a state of distress. It's vital that the UI&nbsp;be as calming as possible.&nbsp;I've gotten to the part where I have to choose colors to put on the screen, and I've done a web search, but most of the links are about interior decorating and don't exactly smack of science.&nbsp;</p>
<div><br></div>
<div>a) not sure that&nbsp;what works for decorating will&nbsp;necessarily work for UI</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>b) I'd like to read any good&nbsp;research out there</div>
<div><br></div>My gut says blue, green, or a combination would be best, but what saturation to use? Etc.<div><br></div>
<div>TIA,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Casey Ransberger</div>
</div>
Sarah Mount | 4 Apr 11:11 2016
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Software benchmarking workshop, April 20, King's College London

Best Practices in Software Benchmarking 2016 (#bench16)
Wednesday April 20 2016
King's College London
http://soft-dev.org/events/bench16/
Registration closes: April 6


For computer scientists and software engineers, benchmarking (evaluating the
running time of a piece of software, or the performance of a piece of hardware)
is a common method for evaluating new techniques. However, there is little
agreement on how benchmarking should  be carried out, how to control for
confounding variables, how to analyse latency data, or  how to aid the
repeatability of experiments. This free workshop will be a venue for computer
scientists and research software engineers to discuss their current best
practices and  future directions.


For further information and free registration (open until April 6) please visit:
http://soft-dev.org/events/bench16/


Confirmed Speakers:

Jan Vitek (Northeastern University)
Joe Parker (The Jodrell Laboratory, Royal Botanic Gardens)
Simon Taylor (University of Lancaster)
Tomas Kalibera (Northeastern University)
James Davenport (University of Bath)
Edd Barrett (King's College London)
Jeremy Bennett (Embecosm)


Organizers:

Sarah Mount & Laurence Tratt (King's College London)
<div><div dir="ltr">Best Practices in Software Benchmarking 2016 (#bench16)<br>Wednesday April 20 2016<br>King's College London<br><a href="http://soft-dev.org/events/bench16/">http://soft-dev.org/events/bench16/</a><br>Registration closes: April 6<br><br><br>For computer scientists and software engineers, benchmarking (evaluating the<br>running time of a piece of software, or the performance of a piece of hardware)<br>is a common method for evaluating new techniques. However, there is little<br>agreement on how benchmarking should &nbsp;be carried out, how to control for<br>confounding variables, how to analyse latency data, or &nbsp;how to aid the<br>repeatability of experiments. This free workshop will be a venue for computer<br>scientists and research software engineers to discuss their current best<br>practices and &nbsp;future directions.<br><br><br>For further information and free registration (open until April 6) please visit:<br><a href="http://soft-dev.org/events/bench16/">http://soft-dev.org/events/bench16/</a><br><br><br>Confirmed Speakers:<br><br>Jan Vitek (Northeastern University)<br>Joe Parker (The Jodrell Laboratory, Royal Botanic Gardens)<br>Simon Taylor (University of Lancaster)<br>Tomas Kalibera (Northeastern University)<br>James Davenport (University of Bath)<br>Edd Barrett (King's College London)<br>Jeremy Bennett (Embecosm)<br><br><br>Organizers:<br><br>Sarah Mount &amp; Laurence Tratt (King's College London)<br>
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Casey Ransberger | 2 Apr 02:12 2016
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When's the best time to teach a kid to program?

Sorry if this is a little off topic. 


I have a dear friend with a 4-year old. He's a clever little beggar. I'd like to put him onto Scratch, but I worry that procedural epistemology might be a lot to think about at 4.

I don't really know anything about how kid's brains develop. I guessed that a few people here would know a lot about that sort of thing. Bonus points (as always) if you can point me at some research. 

Anyway is 4 too soon?

--Casey Ransberger
<div>
<p>Sorry if this is a little off topic.&nbsp;</p>
<div><br></div>
<div>I have a dear&nbsp;friend with a 4-year old. He's a clever little beggar. I'd like to put him onto Scratch, but I worry that procedural epistemology might be a lot to think about at 4.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I don't really know anything about how kid's brains develop. I guessed that a few people here would know a lot about that sort of thing. Bonus points (as always) if you can point me at some research.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Anyway is 4 too soon?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>--Casey Ransberger</div>
</div>
Kim Rose | 26 Mar 02:31 2016

Fwd: Trying to get original version of Maru running

Hello,

I am forwarding Ian's reply to all. He has issues posting directly to the fonc list.

 -- Kim 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ian Piumarta <piumarta@...>
> Subject: Re: [Fonc] Trying to get original version of Maru running
> Date: March 26, 2016 10:28:49 AM GMT+09:00
> To: jmckitrick@...
> 
> Dear Jonathon,
> 
> Sorry for the omission.  The original page was hosted at googlecode and so the Makefile was easy to grab from
the directory listing.  I have added a link to the Makefile from the Maru page on my web server.
> 
> I tested the bootstrap process today on a 64-bit Mac running 10.10 and had no problems.  I think it is quite
likely that everything still works on the other platforms too.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Regards,
> Ian
> 
>> *From: *jmckitrick@... <mailto:jmckitrick@...>
>> *Subject: **[Fonc] Trying to get original version of Maru running*
>> *Date: *March 23, 2016 8:07:26 PM GMT+09:00
>> *To: *fonc@... <mailto:fonc@...>
>> 
>> Hi Ian,
>> 
>> I'm studying the original version of Maru for educational purposes.  The instructions say:
>> 
>> Maru runs on Linux, Darwin (Mac OS X) and Windows (Cygwin and/or MinGW). On Linux just typemake,
otherwise edit the first part ofemit.lappropriately first.
>> 
>> 
>> But there are only 3 files, and no Makefile.  I've followed the Makefile from the current version
somewhat, but the build process fails during assembly of eval.s.  I'm sure it would be much easier if there
were an existing Makefile for the original version.  Is that still in existence anywhere?
>> 
>> thanks!
>> --
>> Jonathon McKitrick
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> 
> 


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