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Bill Kelly | 1 Apr 2005 01:00
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Re: Respect and Disappointment

From: "Stephen Kellett" <snail <at> objmedia.demon.co.uk>
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> Identify the statement that isn't true. Overpriced: Lots of others have 
> given examples. The other two statements are facts.

Disclaimer: I develop on Windows, OS X, and Linux... All
three have characteristics I like, and dislike...

It's true Macs ship with a one-button mouse.  But I have a
two-button Logitech w/ scroll wheel hooked up to the Mac
here... both buttons + the scroll wheel are functional.
(So if one can afford $15 for a third party mouse, the one-
button thing is a non-issue.)

Regarding the degree to which Macs are a proprietary 
system: I do like that their operating system core is Open
Source.  I think that's pretty cool.
( http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/darwin/ )
( download source:
  rsync -vL "darwinsource.opendarwin.org::darwinsource/10.3.8/*.tar.gz" ./ )

So to me that makes OS X significantly less proprietary
than Windows.  (At least as far as software goes.  Maybe
you were referring to hardware.)

In any case, ..... MY AMIGA CAN BEAT UP YOUR ATARI-ST !!!

Just kidding,

Regards,
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David Heinemeier Hansson | 1 Apr 2005 01:11
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Re: Respect and Disappointment

>> As an example of good fit, I don't think it's a surprise that pretty
>> much all of the Rails core contributors are Mac users.
>
> Darn it.. you're going to make me contribute just to prove you wrong,
> aren't you?

Actually, we have a ton of patches coming from Windows users. But 
please do join the party :).

By core, I was referring to people like Jeremy Kemper, Tobias Luekte, 
Florian Weber, Sam Stephenson, Jamis Buck, and Scott Baron that all 
have contributed substantial and continued parts of Rails. Enough to be 
considered core contributors.

They are not the only core contributors, though. People like Marcel 
Molina and Nicholas Seckar are contributing from Linux. And we've had 
plenty of big and important patches from Windows users too. Not just 
code, but people like Curt Hibbs have been doing a great job 
documenting/evangelizing.

So. Again. I don't hate Windows people :). I just don't understand the 
willful choice of that operating system in the defined context. And I'd 
wish more of them would switch.

That should conclude my comments on the subject.
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http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
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Dick Davies | 1 Apr 2005 01:19
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Re: Respect and Disappointment

* Mark Probert <probertm <at> acm.org> [0336 21:36]:
> Hi .. 
> 
>  On Thursday 31 March 2005 11:31, Dick Davies wrote:

[ on as-400s ]

> > But they don't 'wield them', do they? Not unless they're the size of king
> > kong, at least.

> Taken an axe to them is close :-)

You'd be there a while  :)
I wish I could remember the origins of the quote I heard somewhere during an
'intel/amd clock cycle pissing contest' somewhere on usenet. Some grizzled vet
piped up with:

"They're not real computers.
A real computer is one that would kill you if it fell on you"

--

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'The heroes claimed that they did care about people getting shot,
so they crashed their cars into them instead.'
		-- DNA, on 'Starsky and Hutch'
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Navindra Umanee | 1 Apr 2005 01:26
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Re: Respect and Disappointment

Stephen Kellett <snail <at> objmedia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> You need to do some research on psychology. You really need to be 
> looking at the person and their ability, not at the fact they strongly 
> dislike Bovril and have a passion for Sushi.

Personally, I hate Sushi.  Well, I've never eaten nor tasted it...  so
I guess I really only hate the idea of it.  I mean, raw fish?  Gross!
That's bad enough but stuffing it with nutritionally deficient rice
for filler?  The only redeeming part is the seaweed, IMHO.

Just looked up Bovril and it sounds just as disgusting!

On the other hand, I quite like Ruby... 

Cheers,
Navin.

/me wonders what his job prospects in Japan are now...  ;-)
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Douglas Livingstone | 1 Apr 2005 01:28
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Number formatting + subscriptions

Hi all,

I want to make strings like this:

$100.00 plus $22.00 per month
$100.00
$22.00 per week
free (I want this when both numbers are zero)

Generally: [one off fee] plus [fee per billing cycle] per [billing cycle length]

Based on this input:

per_license_cost (= one off fee)
per_cycle_cost (= fee per cycle)
currency_symbol (=$)
cycle_length (= a string: 'day' | 'week' | 'month' | 'year')

I have working code, and in any other language I'd take the uglyness
for granted, but in Ruby I still have hope. So, what would be a better
way to write this? I've put the code I put together at the bottom.

Thanks,
Douglas

The code:

	def human_price
		if per_license_cost.zero? and per_cycle_cost.zero?
			'free'
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Lloyd Zusman | 1 Apr 2005 01:28

Re: Respect and Disappointment

> [ ... lots of stuff by lots of people deleted ... ]

The more of this thread that I read, the more I find myself wondering
where's alt.cascade when you need it.

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Shalev NessAiver | 1 Apr 2005 01:31

Re: ruby-forum.org defaced

Hello,

I would like to contribute to the RForum project.
I just got the latest source from subversion, and I've already made a 
few minor changes/fixes.

However, I'm new to trac and subversion, so how would I go about 
submitting my changes?

-Thanks
Shalev

On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:47 AM, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:

> tony summerfelt wrote:
>
>> it's unfortunate that the few bugs phpbb2 have had, were nasty exploit
>> bugs.
>>
> "Unfortunate" is putting it mildly.
>
>> if new forum software is considered, elog may be one to check out...
>>
> Nope. It will be RForum (http://rforum.andreas-s.net/trac), because 
> Ruby Forum is one of the two BBSes that it was originally written for 
> :)
> It will be back up in a few days.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
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Mark Probert | 1 Apr 2005 01:34
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Re: rake help

Hi .. 

Many thanks, Jim.  First, Rake is excellent!  There is one part of the 
scenario that I'd like to explore, and a comment.

 On Thursday 31 March 2005 14:48, Jim Weirich wrote:
> 
> rule '.cpp' => '.h' do |t|
>   sh "cxxtest.pl -o #{t.name} #{t.source}"
> end

I did get around to reading more of the documentation and have ended up using 
rules.  My results where very similar to yours.

When I created th.h -> .cpp rule, it would run against all .h files that it 
could find, rather than just the unit test ones.  So I ended up with:

  UT_EXE  = [ "test1", "test2", "test3" ]  # all have a .h file defining tests

  rule '.cpp' => ['.h'] do |t|
    name = t.name.sub(/\.[^.]+$/, "")
    if UT_EXE.include?(name)
        sh( "#{CXXTEST} #{CXXTESTOPT} -o #{t.name} #{t.source}" )
    end
  end

I have also found that it is useful to have a dependency list for the various 
UTs, as not all of the UTs required all of the files of the application.  So, 
something like the following works:
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Phlip | 1 Apr 2005 01:34
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ANN: MiniRubyWiki 1.0.0

Rubies:

A robust, full-featured, and installable MRW is now here:

    http://rubyforge.org/projects/minirubywiki

The wiki has a one-click launcher, and can transclude acceptance test
resources in an efficient and streamlined interface.

The wiki also has the most advanced emergent features available in wikidom.
You can import raw text or html into wiki pages, execute commands to
populate wiki pages, and you ran run, organize, and annotate thousands of
pages of test resources. This wiki has been used in production to constrain
all the and characters levels of a large video game.

This page shows the tests in action:

    http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?MiniRubyWiki

This page describes growing a test fixture from scratch, and plugging it
into the Wiki:

    http://flea.sourceforge.net/gameTestServer.pdf

To view all that, on a Win32 platform, extract this file:

    http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/3748/MiniRubyWiki-1-0-0.zip

Now disable your current web server on port 80, and double-click on
LAUNCH.BAT . Then navigate to http://localhost/TestWikiFormat
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Mark Probert | 1 Apr 2005 01:36
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Re: Respect and Disappointment

Hi .. 

 On Thursday 31 March 2005 15:19, Dick Davies wrote:
>
> "They're not real computers.
> A real computer is one that would kill you if it fell on you"

I liked the old one: Real computers are black and have blinking lights.

BeBox got it right, and Tandem were a past master of the Art ;-)

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-mark.  (probertm at acm dot org)
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