Dave Everitt | 2 May 2012 14:15
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definitive markaby

I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:

how does this:
https://github.com/igravious/markaby

relate to this:
https://github.com/camping/mab

?

DaveE
Jenna Fox | 2 May 2012 14:34
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ChillDB License

A few of you sounded interested in using it. I haven't explicitly put a software license on it, so I guess it's not technically FOSS yet. What licenses are good? BSD? Public Domain?


Jenna

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Jenna Fox | 2 May 2012 14:31
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Re: definitive markaby

Mab is going to be the new one going forward. If I remember right, the reasons for this were:

1) Markaby isn't very well maintained these days
2) Markaby is all about xhtml, which is totally irrelevant to the modern web.
3) Markaby doesn't explicitly have a license allowing us to do stuff to it.

I think that's what the deal was. 

Maybe this has changed since then, maybe not. For a time new installations of camping wouldn't work, due to Markaby becoming incompatible with an update to it's dependancy Builder.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:15 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:

how does this:

relate to this:

?

DaveE

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Anthony Durity | 2 May 2012 14:57

Re: ChillDB License

Hey there,

BSD uses full copyright, it's like saying all rights reserved.
Public domain means no rights reserved, it's not a FOSS thing - FOSS means generally an accepted free software license or and accepted open-source license. Public domain isn't a license per se. Licenses like the GPL-style licenses force the code to remain open if an entity modifies the source _and_ redistributes the subsequent binaries. BSD does not enforce this. BSD is thus sometimes seen as more corporate-friendly. Depending on your notion of freedom (freedom from something or freedom to do something) you may feel that BSD-style is freer or GPL-like is freer.

If you want to have a FOSS license then normally go with
(L)GPL2
(L)GPL3
Apache
MIT
BSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licences

If you want to free it to the four corners of the earth but not have it FOSS then public domain it - certain high profile pieces of software are public domain (Sqlite I think?) but not many.

Hope that helps. Apologies if you already knew all this.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jenna Fox <a <at> creativepony.com> wrote:
A few of you sounded interested in using it. I haven't explicitly put a software license on it, so I guess it's not technically FOSS yet. What licenses are good? BSD? Public Domain?


Jenna


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Jenna Fox | 2 May 2012 15:00
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Re: ChillDB License

This is very helpful! I don't really mind though. Maybe public domain is best. I'm not a big believer in copyright.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:57 PM, Anthony Durity wrote:

Hey there,

BSD uses full copyright, it's like saying all rights reserved.
Public domain means no rights reserved, it's not a FOSS thing - FOSS means generally an accepted free software license or and accepted open-source license. Public domain isn't a license per se. Licenses like the GPL-style licenses force the code to remain open if an entity modifies the source _and_ redistributes the subsequent binaries. BSD does not enforce this. BSD is thus sometimes seen as more corporate-friendly. Depending on your notion of freedom (freedom from something or freedom to do something) you may feel that BSD-style is freer or GPL-like is freer.

If you want to have a FOSS license then normally go with
(L)GPL2
(L)GPL3
Apache
MIT
BSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licences

If you want to free it to the four corners of the earth but not have it FOSS then public domain it - certain high profile pieces of software are public domain (Sqlite I think?) but not many.

Hope that helps. Apologies if you already knew all this.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jenna Fox <a <at> creativepony.com> wrote:
A few of you sounded interested in using it. I haven't explicitly put a software license on it, so I guess it's not technically FOSS yet. What licenses are good? BSD? Public Domain?


Jenna


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Anthony Durity | 2 May 2012 14:59

Re: definitive markaby

I made those changes to Markaby to be able to use it with HTML5.

I couldn't be bothered rewriting my code to get it to use mab or whatever is the current flavour of the day for spitting out HTML.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Dave Everitt <deveritt-PAToI0hbvL4qdlJmJB21zg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:

how does this:
https://github.com/igravious/markaby

relate to this:
https://github.com/camping/mab

?

DaveE

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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

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Dave Everitt | 2 May 2012 15:14
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Re: definitive markaby

thanks - a compact but completely-formed answer. So 'mab is the Camping-specific markaby' would be an accurate statement? - DaveE

Mab is going to be the new one going forward. If I remember right, the reasons for this were:

1) Markaby isn't very well maintained these days
2) Markaby is all about xhtml, which is totally irrelevant to the modern web.
3) Markaby doesn't explicitly have a license allowing us to do stuff to it.

I think that's what the deal was. 

Maybe this has changed since then, maybe not. For a time new installations of camping wouldn't work, due to Markaby becoming incompatible with an update to it's dependancy Builder.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:15 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:

how does this:

relate to this:

?

DaveE

_______________________________________________
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_______________________________________________
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

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Jenna Fox | 2 May 2012 15:16
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Re: definitive markaby

Yes.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 11:14 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

thanks - a compact but completely-formed answer. So 'mab is the Camping-specific markaby' would be an accurate statement? - DaveE

Mab is going to be the new one going forward. If I remember right, the reasons for this were:

1) Markaby isn't very well maintained these days
2) Markaby is all about xhtml, which is totally irrelevant to the modern web.
3) Markaby doesn't explicitly have a license allowing us to do stuff to it.

I think that's what the deal was. 

Maybe this has changed since then, maybe not. For a time new installations of camping wouldn't work, due to Markaby becoming incompatible with an update to it's dependancy Builder.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:15 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

I'm compiling Camping links... please can someone refresh my memory:

how does this:

relate to this:

?

DaveE

_______________________________________________
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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

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Dave Everitt | 2 May 2012 15:19
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Re: ChillDB License

You could read Stallman's CopyLeft idea http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ to prevent unscrupulous individual from turning your code into a profitable product (I think) - DaveE

This is very helpful! I don't really mind though. Maybe public domain is best. I'm not a big believer in copyright.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:57 PM, Anthony Durity wrote:

Hey there,

BSD uses full copyright, it's like saying all rights reserved.
Public domain means no rights reserved, it's not a FOSS thing - FOSS means generally an accepted free software license or and accepted open-source license. Public domain isn't a license per se. Licenses like the GPL-style licenses force the code to remain open if an entity modifies the source _and_ redistributes the subsequent binaries. BSD does not enforce this. BSD is thus sometimes seen as more corporate-friendly. Depending on your notion of freedom (freedom from something or freedom to do something) you may feel that BSD-style is freer or GPL-like is freer.

If you want to have a FOSS license then normally go with
(L)GPL2
(L)GPL3
Apache
MIT
BSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licences

If you want to free it to the four corners of the earth but not have it FOSS then public domain it - certain high profile pieces of software are public domain (Sqlite I think?) but not many.

Hope that helps. Apologies if you already knew all this.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jenna Fox <a <at> creativepony.com> wrote:
A few of you sounded interested in using it. I haven't explicitly put a software license on it, so I guess it's not technically FOSS yet. What licenses are good? BSD? Public Domain?


Jenna


_______________________________________________
Camping-list mailing list
Camping-list-GrnCvJ7WPxnNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

_______________________________________________
Camping-list mailing list

_______________________________________________
Camping-list mailing list
Camping-list-GrnCvJ7WPxnNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org
http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

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Jenna Fox | 2 May 2012 15:21
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Re: ChillDB License

Why would I care if they did that?

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 11:19 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

You could read Stallman's CopyLeft idea http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/ to prevent unscrupulous individual from turning your code into a profitable product (I think) - DaveE

This is very helpful! I don't really mind though. Maybe public domain is best. I'm not a big believer in copyright.

Jenna

On Wednesday, 2 May 2012 at 10:57 PM, Anthony Durity wrote:

Hey there,

BSD uses full copyright, it's like saying all rights reserved.
Public domain means no rights reserved, it's not a FOSS thing - FOSS means generally an accepted free software license or and accepted open-source license. Public domain isn't a license per se. Licenses like the GPL-style licenses force the code to remain open if an entity modifies the source _and_ redistributes the subsequent binaries. BSD does not enforce this. BSD is thus sometimes seen as more corporate-friendly. Depending on your notion of freedom (freedom from something or freedom to do something) you may feel that BSD-style is freer or GPL-like is freer.

If you want to have a FOSS license then normally go with
(L)GPL2
(L)GPL3
Apache
MIT
BSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licences

If you want to free it to the four corners of the earth but not have it FOSS then public domain it - certain high profile pieces of software are public domain (Sqlite I think?) but not many.

Hope that helps. Apologies if you already knew all this.

On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jenna Fox <a <at> creativepony.com> wrote:
A few of you sounded interested in using it. I haven't explicitly put a software license on it, so I guess it's not technically FOSS yet. What licenses are good? BSD? Public Domain?


Jenna


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http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list

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