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Chris Croome | 16 Sep 13:17
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MKDoc GPL'ed

Hi

The good news is that MKDoc (the application for which Petal was
developed) has been GPL'ed today:

  http://mkdoc.com/news/gpl/

And there is a new open developers list:

  http://lists.webarch.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mkdoc-dev

And I have also opened a #mkdoc irc channel on irc.freenode.org :-)

The bad news is that Jean-Michel has quit and done a bunk, his
jhiver@... email account has been closed and we don't have any
method of contacting him :-/

The list admins for this list are now Bruno and me but we would be happy
to pass this task onto anyone else on this list who would like to take
this on. 

We fully intend to continue to develop MKDoc and we are also hoping for
community help with this.

Chris

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Chris Croome | 21 Sep 15:17
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Re: help for cpan modules etc..

Hi Matt

On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 01:53:45PM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> On 17 Sep 2004, at 17:24, Graham Seaman wrote:
> 
> > I'm passing on a plea for help here.. actual offers of help
> > shouldn't go back to me (see below...) Below is what I've heard
> > about this; for more accurate information, follow the link
> > below.
> > 
> > There's a cms called mkdoc, mainly targetted at local councils
> > and community groups and so specialising in simplicity of use,
> > accessibility, and use in multiple languages. It's had quite a
> > lot of spin offs, including  the CPAN Petal  modules which have
> > come up here before, but the core CMS was until today
> > proprietary.
> > 
> > The main programmer and CPAN maintainer has just departed in a
> > hurry.  The company has reacted by putting the whole CMS under
> > the gpl (which had been a long-term goal anyway).
> > 
> > This leaves: - a bunch of CPAN modules with no maintainer
> 
> I might be persuaded to maintain Petal if nobody else picks it up.

Ahh, cool, I have copied this to the petal list for info :-)

  http://lists.webarch.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/petal

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William McKee | 21 Sep 23:35
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 02:17:46PM +0100, Chris Croome wrote:
> > I might be persuaded to maintain Petal if nobody else picks it up.
> 
> Ahh, cool, I have copied this to the petal list for info :-)

Go for it Matt! Things have been pretty quiet on the list lately, not
because we're not using Petal; it's just working so well (at least for
me).

William

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Chris Croome | 21 Sep 23:56
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Hi

On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 05:35:38PM -0400, William McKee wrote:
> 
> Go for it Matt! Things have been pretty quiet on the list lately,
> not because we're not using Petal; it's just working so well (at
> least for me).

Yes, things have been fairly stable of late :-)

One feature that Jean-Michel was working on before he left and I'm
fairly sure it's not 100% complete, is support for Petal doing i18n
of the templates on the fly... See here for more info:

  http://search.cpan.org/~jhiver/Petal-2.14/lib/Petal/I18N.pm

In terms of more medium term things to think about, these things
spring to mind:

- There are perhaps some TAL compatability issues that it might make
  sense to iron out and it might make sense to use the same
  namespace as Zope uses...? 

- Intergration with other things like AXKit, Mason and HTML::Template --
  could it be made easier for people to use Petal with other perl
  applications? 

- Switching to SAX rather than XML::Parser?

- Perhaps the i18n stuff should be done by a seperate module?
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Bruno Postle | 22 Sep 00:15
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Re: Re: help for cpan modules etc..

On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 22:56 +0100, Chris Croome wrote:

> In terms of more medium term things to think about, these things
> spring to mind:

> - Switching to SAX rather than XML::Parser?

Petal uses neither, it has MKDoc::XML as a backend.

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Chris Croome | 22 Sep 00:18
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Hi

On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 11:15:44PM +0100, Bruno Postle wrote:
> On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 22:56 +0100, Chris Croome wrote:
> 
> > - Switching to SAX rather than XML::Parser?
> 
> Petal uses neither, it has MKDoc::XML as a backend.

Oops, my mistake, it _used_ to use XML::Parser...

Chris

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Chris Croome | 23 Sep 13:36
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Hi

On Wed 22-Sep-2004 at 10:42:47 +0100, Steve Purkis wrote:
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> >On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 01:53:45PM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> > > I might be persuaded to maintain Petal if nobody else picks it up.
> 
> Well, that's good news!
> 
> Perhaps we'll finally see Petal & TT2 [3?] working together...  Let's
> face it, Petal is just syntax..  and TT is a good engine.

I just had a look at the TT3 site (not many updates of late...?) and the
namespace stuff is interesting:

 And parts for other languages can go in their own namespaces.

    Template::Foo
    Template::Mason
    Template::Simple
    Template::ReallyComplex
    Template::MyLanguageIsBetterThanYoursNeenerNeenerNeener
    ...and so on...

  http://tt3.template-toolkit.org/design/namespace.html

Perhaps it would make sense to Petal to move sometime, to, perhaps,:

  Template::TAL
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Steve Purkis | 22 Sep 23:42

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On Sep 21, 2004, at 14:17, Chris Croome wrote:

[snip!]

> On Tue 21-Sep-2004 at 01:53:45PM +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote:
>> I might be persuaded to maintain Petal if nobody else picks it up.

Well, that's good news!

Perhaps we'll finally see Petal & TT2 [3?] working together...  Let's 
face it, Petal is just syntax..  and TT is a good engine.

-Steve
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William McKee | 23 Sep 15:31
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On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:36:27PM +0100, Chris Croome wrote:
> I just had a look at the TT3 site (not many updates of late...?) and the
> namespace stuff is interesting:

I'm subscribed to the TT3 mailing list (at the recommendation of someone
on this list as I recall) and haven't seen much activity lately. Haven't
been following it too closely though.

> Perhaps it would make sense to Petal to move sometime, to, perhaps,:
>
>   Template::TAL

This makes sense to me. I would like to see a bit more consistency among
the templating options provided by Perl. Hopefully TT3 will be a bit
less memory intensive; I don't have the figures right now but my
recollection is that it's a bit largish.

William

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