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Jack des Bouillons | 1 Jul 2004 01:05
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Re: Grouping Arrays


On 6/30/04 2:22 PM, "Sam Burnell" <samburnell@...> wrote:

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> What would your advice be to use in place of grouped arrays, if one did
> not prefer to use a plugin?

This question raised at the beginning was asked by a person who was using
nothing, and was advised to use ALP.

So the issue was ALP vs Grouped Arrays.  I suggested other alternatives (4D
Column, 4D View) and once 4D 2004 comes out - GridTool.

Sadly (again until we can use 2004) there IS NO ALTERNTAIVE to scrollable
arrays if you prefer not to use a plug-in.

Jack des Bouillons
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Jack des Bouillons | 1 Jul 2004 01:20
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Re: Grouping Arrays

On 6/30/04 2:54 PM, "Chase Setters" <chase@...> wrote:

> Well, Mr. Bouillons I do not believe that the requirements will ever be
> other than that in this implementation. After Mr. S. Wright led me to a fix
> on my little grouping problem (Thanks Again!!) within 2 hours I was up and
> running. I think I'll just save the $$ for now and wait for another project
> to require the purchase. Thanks for the comments and suggestions.

It's DES Bouillons, for future reference.

" I do not believe that the requirements will ever be other than that in
this implementation"

I cannot begin to tell you the number of projects I've come into where a
system was FAR bigger than was originally "designed".

Look up an interesting article called A Big Ball of Mud, which well
describes what happens to software over time.

Another article called Toward Estimating Software Value makes the point that
the capital VALUE of software can be determined by how ADAPTIBLE the
software is to change.  I have a bias it is true..to try to develop in such
a way to make change easier to deal with.  That's why I TRY (and do not
always succeed) to chose alternatives that provide flexibility.

Not all agree.  There is another school of though that says "do the
SIMPLIEST thing possible."  My problem with that thinking is that, if you do
the SIMPLIEST thing possible at each step of the way, over time, you end up
with a Big Ball of Mud.  And a Big Ball of Mud is VERY, VERY difficult to
change..and therefore has less value (even if the software "works") than
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Dan LaSota | 1 Jul 2004 01:53

Re: 4D Web Server silently stops serving

Maybe this is obvious but have you checked your code for any instances of
STOP WEB SERVER ?

Good luck,

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Matthias Schmidt | 1 Jul 2004 02:45
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Re: Mail program

Am/On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:41:21 +0200 schrieb/wrote Robert Broussard:

>on 6/29/04 5:42 PM, Matthias Schmidt at
4D_info@... wrote:
>
>> PowerMail on OS X.
>> <www.ctmdev.com>
>
>What do you find compelling about PM?  What other email clients have you
>used?

before I used Netscape and then Eudora.
I also played around with Claris Emailer (very simular to PowerMail)
Apple Mail and Encourage.

PM is just doing things for me fine.
Specially I can receive and send messages in different languages, for
example in Japanese.
No other mail client is doing it so smart as PowerMail.
It's not an html mail toy its just a mail client, but a fine one.
One very nice thing is also the PowerMail mailing list.

All the best

Matthias

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Stephen J. Orth | 1 Jul 2004 04:03

RE: 4D Backup mystery

We wrote a special interface that opens up a window on the Server.  It does
several things, one of which is to lock users out from logging in, if we
choose to do so.  This feature was added just so we could start a system up
and immediately lock everyone out so we could perform a full backup.

Steve  :-)

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Simon Wright "writes"

>
>The trick is you must do #2 & #3 very quickly before anyone logs in 
>because that may update the database and invalidate the Backup/Logfile 
>pairing. I often asked 4D to give us an option to start 4D Server but 
>to deny client logins so that this is less of a tense moment.
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Jeff Edwards | 1 Jul 2004 06:03
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Re: Another 4D View question - appending rows or columns

Thank you for that Bart,

Yes i was looking at the 4D View area as a workspace rather than as a 
display widget, and was hoping to avoid the need to create arrays (or 
using fields).

I see your point.  Having said that, I think it would be a nice 
addition (and not too difficult to put in I think) to have the commands 
"append row", or "append column". . . so that people like me can use 
the grid tools in this way.

Hope 4D is listening.

Best,

Jeff Edwards

On 01/07/2004, at 2:58 AM, Bart Alcorn wrote:

> On Jun 30, 2004, at 8:10 AM, Jeff Edwards wrote:
>
>> If you have a 4D View Area x columns by Y rows . . and you wish to 
>> append a row (not insert) . . I cannot see a clear way to do it.
>>
>> The command PV INSERT ROWS will not take $n+1 to append a row, and 
>> there is no append row command.

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Robert Broussard | 1 Jul 2004 06:27

Re: Mail program

on 6/30/04 7:45 PM, Matthias Schmidt at 4D_info@... wrote:

> All the best

Thanks for the feedback.

I will take a look...  I have not found anything that I liked as much as
Claris Emailer...  What a shame...

-Robert

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Matthias Schmidt | 1 Jul 2004 06:39
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Re: Mail program

Am/On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 06:27:18 +0200 schrieb/wrote Robert Broussard:
>I will take a look...  I have not found anything that I liked as much as
>Claris Emailer...  What a shame...

you will like PowerMail then, I guess.

All the best

Matthias

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James L. Brown | 1 Jul 2004 07:14
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Re: 4D Backup mystery

Has a bug been submitted to 4D about this?

It is great to have finally found out what was slowing my whole system 
down though.

James.

On 30/06/2004, at 5:39 AM, Simon Wright wrote:

> To get the log file to reset it must be included in the Backup. This 
> is an odd chicken-and-egg situation because you can't create a log 
> file without first doing a Full Backup. The net result means...
>
> 1. Perform a Full Backup
> 2. Create a log file
> 3. Repeat the Full Backup including the log file)
>
> The trick is you must do #2 & #3 very quickly before anyone logs in 
> because that may update the database and invalidate the Backup/Logfile 
> pairing. I often asked 4D to give us an option to start 4D Server but 
> to deny client logins so that this is less of a tense moment.
>
> But it does work. As does the Backup language components. I've only 
> had success procedurally driving the backup from a client though.
>
> HTH
>
> Simon
>
> On Jun 29, 2004, at 3:04 PM, Ortwin Zillgen wrote:
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Andy Fleming | 1 Jul 2004 07:29
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Dropping out of Custom Menus

I've developed a bug in my system where it's dropping out of the custom 
menu environment and back into User mode.

Can anyone give me a short list of likely causes?

I've been running through the code for 2 weeks now and it seems to be 
executing properly, with each window open matched by a single close, 
but it somehow still crapping out back into user mode.
I was thinking that one too many "Cancel"s was causing the windows 
opened with a dialog command to close, but that doesn't seem to be the 
case either.

Any ideas would be appreciated!

	Andy.
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