Tim Nevels | 11 Feb 20:07 2016
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Re: Colors

On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Bill Weale wrote:

> I occasionally have discussions with clients regarding using color, particularly in cols and rows of
output forms.
> 
> I came across this link while browsing a US National Weather Service page:
> 
> Visolve Version 4.4.2 - Package archive (1.2MB) <http://www.ryobi-sol.co.jp/visolve/en/download/VisolveI-4.4.2-Mac.zip>
> 
> Once installed, it supposedly offers the user several options of manipulating/filtering/hatching
selected colors to make them easier to discern if they have color vision issues.
> 
> Just wondering if anyone has seen/heard of or used something like this?

Hi Bill,

This is a good point and something to consider when doing user interface design. This is a nice tool that
I’m sure is very useful for a color blind person when a user interface does not already take into
consideration color blindness. 

1 in 12 men are color blind and 1 in 200 women are color blind. And usually the person will not tell you that they
are. It is likely that all of us at some time in our lives have worked with someone that is color blind and
never knew it.

I had a client many years ago and found out one of the owners was color blind. How did I find out? I was color
coding rows in an output form green and red to indicate certain things. He asked me if I could do something
other than just color so it was easier for him to see. All he saw was just a slightly different shades of gray.

Since that time I try to never just use color as an indicator in lists. Adding a font style with the color is a
quick and easy way to augment indicating a condition with a color value. 
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Bill Weale | 11 Feb 19:04 2016

Colors

I occasionally have discussions with clients regarding using color, particularly in cols and rows of
output forms.

I came across this link while browsing a US National Weather Service page:

Visolve Version 4.4.2 - Package archive (1.2MB) <http://www.ryobi-sol.co.jp/visolve/en/download/VisolveI-4.4.2-Mac.zip>

Once installed, it supposedly offers the user several options of manipulating/filtering/hatching
selected colors to make them easier to discern if they have color vision issues.

Just wondering if anyone has seen/heard of or used something like this?

Thanks,

Bill

William W. Weale

Business Owners Support, LLC.

Operations Analysis
MIS Advising
Decision Support Systems

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Miguel Gonzalez | 11 Feb 14:02 2016
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Interactive Service Detection on Windws 2012 R2 and 4D Server v12

Hello All,

We are using 4D v12 and when we installed this 4D version on windows
2008 R2 the only way to see the 4D Server console is using the
Interactive Service detection.
When that service is running a message appears on the screen and then
it gives you the option of seeing the 4D Server console.

Recently we have installed our product using 4D Server v12 on Windows 2012 R2.
On this OS even starting the Interactive Service Detection the message
does not come up and we are not able to see the 4D Server console. I
can see it by running on the client a 4D command. However if we need
to recover the database this can not be done from the client it has to
be on the Server.

Is this happening because 4D Server v12 is not entirely compatible
with windows 2012 R2?

Is there a way to actually see the 4D server console on the server by
other means?

Thank you very much in advance.

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David Eddy | 11 Feb 03:14 2016

Re: new 4DToday survey

Kirk -

On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:35 AM, 4d_tech-request <at> lists.4D.com wrote:

> To me this story underlines the problem with not promoting, advocating and
> informing the world about 4D.

Yes, but…

Do your customers complain that your application isn’t written MSAccess, SQL Server, FileMaker, etc?

Aren’t they honestly more interested in what YOU can do for them?

Customers are always going to do what developers see as dumb things… not upgrade from v3 when moving to v4
is easy-peasy… eventually product is at v7 & customer can’t go from v3 to v7 easily.  At least not in the
Microsoft world.

That said, I’d certainly argue for a strong push by 4D corporate to have a robust YouTube presence,
highlighting 4D’s unique strengths… MacWin, server in the box, etc.

If it’s still in use—or even if it isn’t—I’d highlight that case about how Husqvarna & Justin
Leavens? (Summit 2000)—& servicing salesmen with low speed data access.  Surely the country isn’t
100% wired for high speed access yet?

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David Eddy | 11 Feb 02:56 2016

Re: new 4DToday survey

Tom -

On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:35 AM,  "Tom Dillon" <tomdillonlists <at> gmail.com
<mailto:tomdillonlists <at> gmail.com>> wrote:

> But, there may be someone, right now, saying the exact same thing about COBOL on the COBOL NUG in response to
a survey on COBOLToday.com <http://coboltoday.com/>.

Good point.

Here’s a comment on aging applications from a couple of academics I know.  They both insist that
Retirement Brain Drain—us old goat hanging up our punch cards—is no big deal.  

They both insist COBOL is such an easy language to learn that a reasonably intelligent person can learn it in
just a few weeks.

Ignoring several issues:
- companies don’t train anymore
- it’s not the LANGUAGE that’s difficult (assuming we’re not dealing with Assembler or APL), it’s
the APPLICATIONS & what they do that’s difficult to learn.
- the only documentation for the code is the code
- a typical mainframe application is written in at least 6 languages (think of 4D’s parts… the 4D
language itself, the forms language, the database language & more… at least Laurent has nicely bundled
them all together)

Would you trust someone with 6 to 12 months of “experience” digging into one of your 10+ year old applications?

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Tim Nevels | 11 Feb 01:38 2016
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Re: new 4DToday survey

On Feb 10, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Kirk Brooks wrote:

> ​Um - because we are look more like an AARP convention than a bunch of
> software devs...​ with the exception of the COBOL users I've been hearing
> about. And our numbers are on a slow and steady decline.
> 
> But perhaps the business plan is that we only need to last as long as the
> 4D principals do?

Kirk, you are full of doom and gloom. 

You seen to think 4D is on its death bed. I certainly do not think that way. 4D has a lot of life ahead of it. And I
also have a lot of life and 4D development left in me. :)

I’m guessing you currently make a very nice living doing mainly 4D work. (I know that I have for over 20
years now.) 4D work has been paying your bills for how many years now? You thinking that will end soon?

Are you currently in the process of switching to a new platform and dumping 4D "before it’s too late”? 

You have anything good to say about the world of 4D?

And there was a comment from someone on this thread that nobody is starting new projects with 4D. Wrong! I
just started a brand new project for a new client with 4D. They are loving all the power and features 4D is
providing and what they can get for their money. And I know other 4D developers that I have talked to in the
past few months that have also starting new projects with new clients using 4D. 

Tim

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Pat Bensky | 11 Feb 00:27 2016
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4D Write/4D Write Pro

I'm using v15r2 to do some experimentation.
One of the areas of experimentation is 4D Write. But I am a bit confused
... can anybody answer these questions? Or point me to where I can find the
info?

1. Is 4D Write Pro going to completely replace 4D Write?

2. Where are the 4D Write commands? I've checked that the 4D Write plugin
is installed but it doesn't recognise any of the commands and they don't
show up in the Commands by Theme list. 4D Write doesn't appear in the
Plugins Commands list.

3. So does this mean that if we want to use v15r2, we can only use the
limited command set of 4D Write Pro (4 commands).

4. Re. pricing - Since 4D Write Pro is part of the application, rather than
being a plugin, does this mean that there will not be any additional
licence fees to pay for multi-user deployments?

​Thanks ...
Pat​

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David Eddy | 10 Feb 22:48 2016

Re: [ANN] Flash sale on ArchiveMethod

Walt -

On Feb 10, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Walt Nelson <walt.nelson <at> gmail.com <mailto:walt.nelson <at> gmail.com>> wrote:

> Save $100 off on ArchiveMethod. Get your copy for only $97.

Sweet.

ArchiveMethod is ok for v15 R2?

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Walt Nelson | 10 Feb 16:44 2016
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[ANN] Flash sale on ArchiveMethod

Folks,

Here is a coupon that expires next Tuesday, Feb 16th.

Save $100 off on ArchiveMethod. Get your copy for only $97.

Enter the coupon code SAVE100 to get $100 off the price.

If you aren’t currently keeping all your methods in a single database automatically - with ALL your
modification history - you really should be.

ArchiveMethod will save your bacon more than once.

For the price of less than one hour of your time (at least I hope your hourly rate is more than $97), you can have
that sort of security.

This coupon is only good until Feb 16th.

Thanks,
Walt Nelson (Seattle)
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Cannon Smith | 10 Feb 16:01 2016

Objects Module Update

If anyone is using the Objects Module, you’ll want to know that I’ve just put a new version up:

	<http://www.synergyfarmsolutions.com/styled/index.html>

It has two small bug fixes. If you prefer to make them directly in the code, you can do the following:

1. In the OBJ_Get_4DArray method, change line 57 to the following (you are just adding “Is object” as
the last parameter):

	$o4DArrayObject:=OB Get($oSubObject;$atKeyLevel{$x};Is object) 

2. In the OJB_Get_Record method, line 42 needs to be removed completely. The line was:

	$oRecordObject:=OBJ_Create

The other change that was made was that all the methods are marked as available to the host from a component so
it should be simpler to create a component from this code if that is they way you want to use it.

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Jim Crate | 10 Feb 00:01 2016
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Search/Quick Report UI component

It appears that there are now enough quick report commands to allow a generic interface to be developed
(with niceties like a searchable field list), and a generic custom search interface would have always
been possible. Has anyone developed such a thing and made it available as a component? 

Jim Crate

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