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Nick Sabalausky | 1 Aug 2012 01:05

Re: OT: phobos name

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:16:56 +0200
"akaz" <akaz <at> utopia.com> wrote:

> According to Wikipedia:
> 
> "Phobos (Ancient Greek: Φόβος, pronounced [pʰóbos], 
> meaning "fear" or "terror") is the personification of fear in 
> Greek mythology."
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(mythology)
> 
> I just discovered that. I find it surprisingly. Fear???? 
> Terror????
> 

"Phobos and Deimos ("fear" and "dread")"

That's really awesome, actually. C++/Java/Python and the like should
PHear us :)

So does that make one of the Deimos maintainers Judge Dredd?
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Stuart | 1 Aug 2012 02:44
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 19:07:52 UTC, q66 wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 17:16:56 UTC, Stuart wrote:
>> Oh, now, that's going too far. Do you think I'm some kind of 
>> programming newbie? A college student, perhaps? I have a BSc 
>> in Software Engineering, and I've been coding for 16 years. So 
>> let's have less of the condescension, hmm?
>
> errr I meant this :)

If I don't point out that I know something, I'm ignorant. And 
when I do, I'm a showoff. I can't win.

Maybe I should just give up on this "friendly and helpful 
community" I've heard so much about.
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Stuart | 1 Aug 2012 02:48
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 18:53:43 UTC, Bernard Helyer wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 17:16:56 UTC, Stuart wrote:
>>
>> Er, no. Before I used .NET, I used C++ almost exclusively for 
>> a number of years. I'm a little out of practice, but I 
>> understand the general principles involved.
>
> No you don't, or you wouldn't have asked the question in the 
> first
> place.

Ah, so I'm a liar. Right.

>>> You have a lot to learn and you should know that by now.
>>
>> Oh, now, that's going too far. Do you think I'm some kind of 
>> programming newbie? A college student, perhaps? I have a BSc 
>> in Software Engineering, and I've been coding for 16 years.
>
> Well jesus, a BSc, aren't you just a fucking genius.
>
>
> Fuck off. Stop wasting our time.

If this is what you guys on here consider a friendly and helpful 
attitude, I'm not impressed. You in particular, Bernard, can suck 
my rosy red arse, you rude objectionable scrote.

I notice nobody else at all has objected to my being told to fuck 
off and stop wasting people's time. I guess it's okay for people
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Stuart | 1 Aug 2012 02:52
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 19:05:07 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
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> I've had some success with using DGui, which seems to be 
> loosely based
> on DFL. http://code.google.com/p/dgui/

I can't find any trace of documentation on that site.
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Jonathan M Davis | 1 Aug 2012 02:49
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Wednesday, August 01, 2012 02:44:55 Stuart wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 19:07:52 UTC, q66 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 17:16:56 UTC, Stuart wrote:
> >> Oh, now, that's going too far. Do you think I'm some kind of
> >> programming newbie? A college student, perhaps? I have a BSc
> >> in Software Engineering, and I've been coding for 16 years. So
> >> let's have less of the condescension, hmm?
> > 
> > errr I meant this :)
> 
> If I don't point out that I know something, I'm ignorant. And
> when I do, I'm a showoff. I can't win.
> 
> Maybe I should just give up on this "friendly and helpful
> community" I've heard so much about.

Well, I think that on a whole, the community is friendly and helpful, but 
that's not always the case, and there _have_ been some rather rude responses 
in this thread unfortunately.

- Jonathan M Davis
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Jonathan M Davis | 1 Aug 2012 03:00
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Wednesday, August 01, 2012 02:48:43 Stuart wrote:
> I notice nobody else at all has objected to my being told to fuck
> off and stop wasting people's time. I guess it's okay for people
> to talk to me like that, yes?

I don't agree with Bernard at all (and for the most, I don't think that anyone 
else does either). It's just that I generally ignore nasty comments and 
trolls. I also suspect that given the length of this thread, there are plenty 
of people who never read his response, which would at least partially explain 
why no one has spoken up about it. Bernard has said some good things on this 
list before, so he's not a complete troll, but he _does_ seem to get very 
rude, very quickly, which is a detriment to the community as evidenced by your 
response. And his response in this case was particularly rude. If he doesn't 
want to help you, he doesn't need to respond. Rudeness helps no one.

- Jonathan M Davis
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Andrei Alexandrescu | 1 Aug 2012 03:10

Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On 7/31/12 8:48 PM, Stuart wrote:
> I notice nobody else at all has objected to my being told to fuck off
> and stop wasting people's time. I guess it's okay for people to talk to
> me like that, yes?

I've also been surprised by Bernard's exaggerated reaction. Your vent 
was not the most unreasonable out there. This is an unmoderated 
newsgroup and although personal attacks do happen, they are very rare.

> I can just fuck off if everyone would rather. After this blatant abuse -
> which has gone unremarked, it seems - I'm seriously considering leaving.

Are you threatening to leave an online forum? Now this is exactly the 
kind of immature thing that won't help any. No, personal attacks are not 
welcome here, but you needn't have an emotional answer to a head hotter 
than yours.

Andrei
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Timon Gehr | 1 Aug 2012 03:12
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On 08/01/2012 02:44 AM, Stuart wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 19:07:52 UTC, q66 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 31 July 2012 at 17:16:56 UTC, Stuart wrote:
>>> Oh, now, that's going too far. Do you think I'm some kind of
>>> programming newbie? A college student, perhaps? I have a BSc in
>>> Software Engineering, and I've been coding for 16 years. So let's
>>> have less of the condescension, hmm?
>>
>> errr I meant this :)
>
> If I don't point out that I know something, I'm ignorant.
> And when I do, I'm a showoff. I can't win.
>

- Why would it be interesting to talk about whether someone 'knows
   something' or not? This is d.D.

- Why is it important whether or not some random guy on
   the internet thinks some statements are ignorant?

- Besides, the statement does not even make sense. Who would respond to
   something that was not posted?

> Maybe I should just give up on this "friendly and helpful community"
> I've heard so much about.

Why? It is friendly and helpful. Even more so if it is treated as such.
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Stuart | 1 Aug 2012 03:23
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 01:10:30 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
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> I've also been surprised by Bernard's exaggerated reaction. 
> Your vent was not the most unreasonable out there.

Mm. I just got really frustrated at not being able to use this 
interesting new language.

(Which, incidentally, I still cannot do because the (helpful, 
constructive) suggestions for compiling DFL or finding 
alternatives have not, in fact, worked.)

>> I can just fuck off if everyone would rather. After this 
>> blatant abuse -
>> which has gone unremarked, it seems - I'm seriously 
>> considering leaving.
>
> Are you threatening to leave an online forum? Now this is 
> exactly the kind of immature thing that won't help any.

Threatening? No. I was simply being honest. After that entirely 
undeserved attack, I was considering leaving the forum and giving 
up on D. Some people are trying to help me and are being 
constructive; but some have been complete pricks, and that's 
really not helping my enthusiasm for the project.
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Stuart | 1 Aug 2012 03:27
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Re: Incomprehensible compiler errors

On Wednesday, 1 August 2012 at 01:12:37 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 02:44 AM, Stuart wrote:
>> If I don't point out that I know something, I'm ignorant.
>> And when I do, I'm a showoff. I can't win.
>>
>
> - Why would it be interesting to talk about whether someone 
> 'knows something' or not? This is d.D.

I didn't say it was interesting. I was called ignorant, and it 
was implied that I was a programming newbie. So I pointed out 
that I was not. And then got a bunch of flak for that too.

> - Why is it important whether or not some random guy on
>   the internet thinks some statements are ignorant?

I assumed that most people who posted on this forum were relevant 
to the project. I mean, it's hardly a subject that should attract 
random trolls, I would've thought.

>> Maybe I should just give up on this "friendly and helpful 
>> community" I've heard so much about.
>
> Why? It is friendly and helpful. Even more so if it is treated 
> as such.

Some of it is, yes. But the ones who aren't are spoiling it 
somewhat. And as I say, I assumed everyone on this forum was 
either a dev or a user. I wasn't expecting drive-by trolling.
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