Dave Jury | 3 Dec 2011 17:53

The ISBN field is suddenly populating with the ISBN-10 instead of the ISBN-13

I have just noticed that sometime since 8 November Tellico is now  
populating the ISBN-10 in the ISBN field, whereas previously it had  
put in the ISBN-13.

Is there any way I could add a new field and get both numbers? I  
suppose I could calculate the ISBN-13 from the ISBN-10 but I'm not  
sure how to go about it.

By the way, I'm using an older version as I can't get 2.3.4 to install  
on Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric. I would dearly love to upgrade so I could  
access Google Book Search - do you know if it's possible?

Thanks for a great piece of software, and regards,

Dave.
Robby Stephenson | 5 Dec 2011 15:57
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Re: The ISBN field is suddenly populating with the ISBN-10 instead of the ISBN-13

Hi Dave,

On Saturday 03 December 2011, Dave Jury wrote:
> I have just noticed that sometime since 8 November Tellico is now
> populating the ISBN-10 in the ISBN field, whereas previously it had
> put in the ISBN-13.

You don't mention it in this email, but your bug report references Amazon UK 
and ISBNdB. For both of those sources, Tellico just uses whatever value they 
report, without changing it. Amazon, in particular, can be apt to be a bit 
wonky and randomly change some values. I think that's probably what's going 
on.

For Tellico 2.3.4, Tellico was updated to use a newer Amazon API version. 
Amazon also returns different data, sometimes, depending on which API version 
is used. It's even possible that isbn13 is returned for some books and 
isbn10 for others.

I'll poke at it some to see if I did something inadvertent to change the 
behavior, but at first glance, it's a data source issue.

> Is there any way I could add a new field and get both numbers? I
> suppose I could calculate the ISBN-13 from the ISBN-10 but I'm not
> sure how to go about it.

Neither Amazon nor ISBNdB return both numbers, but given one, it's straight-
forward to calculate the other. Tellico will even do it for you. To get from 
isbn13 to isbn10, highlight the 978- in front and delete it. Tellico 
automatically updates the final character, the checksum. To go from isbn10 to 
isbn13, it's a bit more. Either paste "978" at once in front (and the final 
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Dave Jury | 5 Dec 2011 16:42

Re: The ISBN field is suddenly populating with the ISBN-10 instead of the ISBN-13


Hi Robby,

Thanks for a great piece of software!

I think you are correct... it's Amazon who have made the change, but I certainly do appreciate your tips on how to deal with it!

I am very grateful for your quick response.

Regards,

Dave Jury

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 06:57:35 -0800

Hi Dave, On Saturday 03 December 2011, Dave Jury wrote: > I have just noticed that sometime since 8 November Tellico is now > populating the ISBN-10 in the ISBN field, whereas previously it had > put in the ISBN-13. You don't mention it in this email, but your bug report references Amazon UK and ISBNdB. For both of those sources, Tellico just uses whatever value they report, without changing it. Amazon, in particular, can be apt to be a bit wonky and randomly change some values. I think that's probably what's going on. For Tellico 2.3.4, Tellico was updated to use a newer Amazon API version. Amazon also returns different data, sometimes, depending on which API version is used. It's even possible that isbn13 is returned for some books and isbn10 for others. I'll poke at it some to see if I did something inadvertent to change the behavior, but at first glance, it's a data source issue. > Is there any way I could add a new field and get both numbers? I > suppose I could calculate the ISBN-13 from the ISBN-10 but I'm not > sure how to go about it. Neither Amazon nor ISBNdB return both numbers, but given one, it's straight- forward to calculate the other. Tellico will even do it for you. To get from isbn13 to isbn10, highlight the 978- in front and delete it. Tellico automatically updates the final character, the checksum. To go from isbn10 to isbn13, it's a bit more. Either paste "978" at once in front (and the final checksum is updated), or cut the last several digits in the isbn, add the 978 to the front and then paste what you cut. As for having fields for both, you can certainly have both fields. Getting the data sources to populate both would take a little work. > By the way, I'm using an older version as I can't get 2.3.4 to install > on Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric. I would dearly love to upgrade so I could > access Google Book Search - do you know if it's possible? I don't really follow Ubuntu releases. I usually link to DOminik Stadler's PPA, but it doesn't look like he has anything for 11.10 yet. https://launchpad.net/~dominik-stadler Robby
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Bettina Knop | 28 Dec 2011 08:31

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Carsten Weiguny | 29 Dec 2011 00:11

gelegenheit zur webverbesserung.

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Stephan Debelle | 29 Dec 2011 20:50
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Tellico questions - data files back up, scaling & isbn lookup

Hello,

I am new to this list so forgive me if these questions have already been asked but I could not seem to find the answer on the kde forums.  I am volunteering for a school (non-profit) and we are using almost exclusively Open Source software.  After looking a few options such as Koha & Evergreen to manage the School's library collection, I stumbled onto Tellico and have been very impressed with the ease of use and capabilities.

I am currently testing v 2.3.1 on Ubuntu 10.10 and it works well, we scanned a few books at random and imported the ISBN into tellico and were able to populate most of the books data using isbn.com or amazon.

The questions I have:

1- Tellico not being DB driven, which directories are storing the collection data so I can include them in the backup?

2- The school has a collection of approximately 10,000 books, will tellico be able to scale and handle this volume?

3- The school being a French billingual school, many of the books have been purschased in France.  While the ISBN lookup works fine and configured for Amazon & isbn.com I still have a good % of books not getting any data.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest another source to configure for books originating from France?

4- Some books have multiple copies, I could not find a field set up to indicate the number of copies?  While I configured a new field for this purpose, the check out process only sees 1 copy and therefore the other copies are not available for checkout.  The work around seems to be to create a duplicate of the book but I am wondering if there is a better way of handling this?

Thank you in advance! 

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Robby Stephenson | 30 Dec 2011 21:33
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Re: Tellico questions - data files back up, scaling & isbn lookup

HI Stephan,

On Thursday 29 December 2011, Stephan Debelle wrote:
> I am new to this list so forgive me if these questions have already been
> asked but I could not seem to find the answer on the kde forums.  I am
> volunteering for a school (non-profit) and we are using almost
> exclusively Open Source software.  After looking a few options such as
> Koha & Evergreen to manage the School's library collection, I stumbled
> onto Tellico and have been very impressed with the ease of use and
> capabilities.

Thanks! This is the right place for questions. The forums works too.

> 1- Tellico not being DB driven, which directories are storing the
> collection data so I can include them in the backup?

All the information, except for the images, are stored in the data file 
itself. You can choose to have the images in the data file, too, but with a 
collection of your size, I wouldn't recommend it. In the settings, there's 
an "Image Storage" option. The first option is the data file. The second will 
store all the images for all Tellico data in the same place, 
~/.kde/share/apps/tellico/data/ (unless you moved your KDE home somewhere 
else). The third option will store the images in the same location as the 
data file, in a directory with the same name of the data file with _files 
appended. 

> 2- The school has a collection of approximately 10,000 books, will
> tellico be able to scale and handle this volume?

It should. The primary issue might be if you have 10,000 big images in the 
collection, too. I've tried to improve the performance with large images, 
and others have contributed patches, too. So I'd give it a shot. :)

> 3- The school being a French billingual school, many of the books have
> been purschased in France.  While the ISBN lookup works fine and
> configured for Amazon & isbn.com I still have a good % of books not
> getting any data.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest another
> source to configure for books originating from France?

Definitely try using amazon.fr. I think the UBuntu package is compiled with 
z39.50 support, too, and in that case, the French SUDOC database is 
available. http://www.sudoc.abes.fr Or you could find other french z39.50 
sources. Freebase would be another option.

> 4- Some books have multiple copies, I could not find a field set up to
> indicate the number of copies?  While I configured a new field for this
> purpose, the check out process only sees 1 copy and therefore the other
> copies are not available for checkout.  The work around seems to be to
> create a duplicate of the book but I am wondering if there is a better
> way of handling this?

There's no better way that the workaround you noted. I'll see if I can add 
that feature. The check-out capability wasn't built with the idea of having 
multiple copies in mind.

Thanks for the interest!
Robby
Matthew Soffen (tellico | 30 Dec 2011 22:57
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Any way to create the exports from the command line or back up to a different folder ?

Hi All,

I have a question.  Is there any way to do the following things :

1) Generate the Exports from a command line call (instead of having to
fire up the application)

2) When backing up the .tc file, have it back up to a DIFFERENT directory
than the original file ?

My reasoning for this is due to my own stupidity (I blew away my 4
collection files and their backups).   I have the exported data so I'll
just plug through recreating the files.

But unfortunately I don't have everything (because I didn't 100% of the
time export the TC file to HTML/etc.   So if I had a way to do it from the
command line, I could ensure "some" backup copies would exist.

Thanks !

Matt

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Stephan Debelle | 31 Dec 2011 16:42
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Re: Tellico questions - data files back up, scaling & isbn lookup

Roby,

Thank you for your response, so far I have been testing v 2.3.1 on a VM using the same image we will be using and it works like a charm!  I had tried to compile the latest version but ran into too many dependancy issues on Ubuntu so decided to use the package available using this repository deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/ lucid-getdeb apps

For testing purpose I had saved the .tc file in the /home/documents directory and images are stored in a sub-directory, so it appears that is all I need to consider for backup. 

The intent is to have one desktop in the library which will be used for check-in/check-out but I am thinking of having the .tc and image directory on a Dropbox folder.  This would allow the teachers to consult the catalog from their laptop as well and I won't have to worry about back up as long as they don't make any edits from their laptop.  Perhaps better option might be for me to have job copy the files at regular interval so I can insure the "master" file does not get overwritten.

The images are not large in size so I will keep you posted on performance once we have the collection set up (mid-january).  I added the amazon.fr and the sudoc sources and doing an update actually pulled data for a few more ISBN so that is great!

As far the multiple copies, I don't think there is a lot of them so I will simply create a duplicate if needed altough most likely they will be duplicated during the scanning step.

The school I am supporting is http://www.thefrenchabc.com so feel free to add it to the list of users! 

All teacher's laptops & the lab is running on Ubuntu 10.10, Tellico is just a perfect fit!  Kuddos to the Open Source Community and Developers!

We are aiming to have the system and collection ready by the end of January and will make sure to give you some feedback.

Happy New Year and Thank you again!

Stephan



On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Robby Stephenson <robby <at> periapsis.org> wrote:
HI Stephan,

On Thursday 29 December 2011, Stephan Debelle wrote:
> I am new to this list so forgive me if these questions have already been
> asked but I could not seem to find the answer on the kde forums.  I am
> volunteering for a school (non-profit) and we are using almost
> exclusively Open Source software.  After looking a few options such as
> Koha & Evergreen to manage the School's library collection, I stumbled
> onto Tellico and have been very impressed with the ease of use and
> capabilities.

Thanks! This is the right place for questions. The forums works too.

> 1- Tellico not being DB driven, which directories are storing the
> collection data so I can include them in the backup?

All the information, except for the images, are stored in the data file
itself. You can choose to have the images in the data file, too, but with a
collection of your size, I wouldn't recommend it. In the settings, there's
an "Image Storage" option. The first option is the data file. The second will
store all the images for all Tellico data in the same place,
~/.kde/share/apps/tellico/data/ (unless you moved your KDE home somewhere
else). The third option will store the images in the same location as the
data file, in a directory with the same name of the data file with _files
appended.

> 2- The school has a collection of approximately 10,000 books, will
> tellico be able to scale and handle this volume?

It should. The primary issue might be if you have 10,000 big images in the
collection, too. I've tried to improve the performance with large images,
and others have contributed patches, too. So I'd give it a shot. :)

> 3- The school being a French billingual school, many of the books have
> been purschased in France.  While the ISBN lookup works fine and
> configured for Amazon & isbn.com I still have a good % of books not
> getting any data.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest another
> source to configure for books originating from France?

Definitely try using amazon.fr. I think the UBuntu package is compiled with
z39.50 support, too, and in that case, the French SUDOC database is
available. http://www.sudoc.abes.fr Or you could find other french z39.50
sources. Freebase would be another option.

> 4- Some books have multiple copies, I could not find a field set up to
> indicate the number of copies?  While I configured a new field for this
> purpose, the check out process only sees 1 copy and therefore the other
> copies are not available for checkout.  The work around seems to be to
> create a duplicate of the book but I am wondering if there is a better
> way of handling this?

There's no better way that the workaround you noted. I'll see if I can add
that feature. The check-out capability wasn't built with the idea of having
multiple copies in mind.

Thanks for the interest!
Robby



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