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Jeremy Vyska | 2 Jun 2008 16:48
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Re: Import File Listing issue?

Is there a more appropriate venue to report this bug?

~Jeremy

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 10:49 -0400, Jeremy Vyska wrote:
> I'm trying to use Tellico to manage a few folders of mine that I stick a
> LOT of work files in as I'm rolling, so I'm using a File collection.  I
> frequently add files to the directories, so I need to be able to
> 'refresh' the collection with new files.  I presumed that when I select
> Import File Listing, choose my path, and then select 'Merge with current
> collection', the new files would be added.
> 
> Before rolling on, is that assumption correct?  If not, disregard below
> this paragraph and:  what is a way to have a File Collection that will
> continue to grow over time be 'refreshed', adding only the new files?
> Choosing instead to 'Append' creates MASSIVE quantities of duplicate
> entries for the existing files.
> 
> 
> If what I'm trying to do, Import and Merge, is supposed to bring in new
> files, then I have a bug in 1.3  (I can update, but I didn't see
> anything in the change log that would impact this issue).
> 
> Steps to reproduce:
>  - Create a File catalog
>  - Import File Listing from a folder with a file in it.  The file will
> be brought in correctly.
>  - Create a new file in that folder
>  - Import File Listing, selecting to Merge.  The new file will not be
> listed.
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Robby Stephenson | 2 Jun 2008 21:13
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Re: Import File Listing issue?

No, this is it. I'm just on work travel now until the end of the week, though.
 
Robby

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Jeremy Vyska <JVyska-tUwO18uD7CBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Is there a more appropriate venue to report this bug?

~Jeremy


On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 10:49 -0400, Jeremy Vyska wrote:
> I'm trying to use Tellico to manage a few folders of mine that I stick a
> LOT of work files in as I'm rolling, so I'm using a File collection.  I
> frequently add files to the directories, so I need to be able to
> 'refresh' the collection with new files.  I presumed that when I select
> Import File Listing, choose my path, and then select 'Merge with current
> collection', the new files would be added.
>
> Before rolling on, is that assumption correct?  If not, disregard below
> this paragraph and:  what is a way to have a File Collection that will
> continue to grow over time be 'refreshed', adding only the new files?
> Choosing instead to 'Append' creates MASSIVE quantities of duplicate
> entries for the existing files.
>
>
> If what I'm trying to do, Import and Merge, is supposed to bring in new
> files, then I have a bug in 1.3  (I can update, but I didn't see
> anything in the change log that would impact this issue).
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>  - Create a File catalog
>  - Import File Listing from a folder with a file in it.  The file will
> be brought in correctly.
>  - Create a new file in that folder
>  - Import File Listing, selecting to Merge.  The new file will not be
> listed.
>
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Robby Stephenson | 7 Jun 2008 21:27
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Re: Import File Listing issue?

On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Jeremy Vyska wrote:
> I'm trying to use Tellico to manage a few folders of mine that I stick a
> LOT of work files in as I'm rolling, so I'm using a File collection.  I
> frequently add files to the directories, so I need to be able to
> 'refresh' the collection with new files.  I presumed that when I select
> Import File Listing, choose my path, and then select 'Merge with current
> collection', the new files would be added.
>
> Before rolling on, is that assumption correct?

Yes.

> If what I'm trying to do, Import and Merge, is supposed to bring in new
> files, then I have a bug in 1.3  (I can update, but I didn't see
> anything in the change log that would impact this issue).
>
> Steps to reproduce:
>  - Create a File catalog
>  - Import File Listing from a folder with a file in it.  The file will
> be brought in correctly.
>  - Create a new file in that folder
>  - Import File Listing, selecting to Merge.  The new file will not be
> listed.

Yup, the entry comparison was a bit screwed up with the file catalogs. I 
believe I've fixed it not, so it'll be in the next release. The primary 
match now is the file path.

I guess this tells me how many people actually use Tellico for file catalog 
merging, since I don't think this has ever worked. :)

Robby
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Norbert Nemec | 12 Jun 2008 12:28
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Update from arXiv

Hi there,

I've been using tellico for three years for my bibliography but only recently remodeled my database so it is
compatible with the newer features of tellico.
Now, trying to update entries from arXiv, I found that tellico always uses the *versioned* arXiv
identifier. I typically prefer to use the unversioned identifier unless I want the refer specifically to
a certain version. (Which practically never happens.)

First thing that I would definitely view as bug: When updating from arXiv with an unversioned ID in the
entry, tellico retrieves the versioned ID, finds both strings inequivalent and does nothing. in this
case, tellico should definitely accept both entries as equivalent and update the entry.

Beyond this I, would personally prefer it, if tellico import or update would by default insert the
unversioned ID. If the user actually worries about the version in a specific case, that can always be
corrected manually. What do other users think about this?

Greetings,
Norbert
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Jeremy Vyska | 12 Jun 2008 14:31
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Minor Defect - Collection Fields - Duplicate hotkey

Not so much a bug, but can be a lil' vexing.   On Collection Fields
screen, Alt+N is ambiguous for either the "New" (field) button or the
"No formatting" option.   This means that if you are trying to rapidly
create a batch of fields, you cannot hit "New" with a single keystroke.

~Jeremy
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Robby Stephenson | 12 Jun 2008 15:48
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Re: Minor Defect - Collection Fields - Duplicate hotkey

On Thursday 12 June 2008, Jeremy Vyska wrote:
> Not so much a bug, but can be a lil' vexing.   On Collection Fields
> screen, Alt+N is ambiguous for either the "New" (field) button or the
> "No formatting" option.   This means that if you are trying to rapidly
> create a batch of fields, you cannot hit "New" with a single keystroke.

As it is right now, the &N is set on the New button explicitly. Then, a KDE 
utility is called to add accelerators to everything without one. It looks 
like that is running before the New button is registered or something, in 
which case it assumes N is available. I'll have to figure out how to work 
that out.

Thanks for pointing it out!
Robby
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Robby Stephenson | 12 Jun 2008 15:46
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Re: Update from arXiv

Hi Norbert,

On Thursday 12 June 2008, Norbert Nemec wrote:
> First thing that I would definitely view as bug: When updating from arXiv
> with an unversioned ID in the entry, tellico retrieves the versioned ID,
> finds both strings inequivalent and does nothing. in this case, tellico
> should definitely accept both entries as equivalent and update the entry.
>
> Beyond this I, would personally prefer it, if tellico import or update
> would by default insert the unversioned ID. If the user actually worries
> about the version in a specific case, that can always be corrected
> manually. What do other users think about this?

Makes sense to me. I'm always looking for feedback about the bibliographic 
capabilities, in particular. :) I'll pull up the notes I made about the 
Arxiv ID and how to deversion the versioned. Heh...

Robby
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Norbert Nemec | 12 Jun 2008 22:54
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Drag'n'drop for URLs?

Hi there,

www.citeulike.org has that great mechanism that allows the scraping of 
bibliographic data from many different journals via a plugin mechanism. 
The plugins are freely available via SVN and I am nearly done with an 
external script for tellico that uses the same mechanism.

Now, one of the nice thing about these plugins is, that they accept a 
URL as input and return all the bibliographic data including the abstract.

It would be really neat, if one could drag'n'drop a URL onto tellico and 
this would then be run through a script. Is there a way to do that?

Greetings,
Norbert
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Norbert Nemec | 12 Jun 2008 23:02
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Generalized update feature?

Hi there,

I really like the update feature in tellico. However, I believe it could 
be much more powerful if it were generalized to a filter function.

Let me explain:

Currently, when update is called, tellico takes certain fields from the 
entry (typically some ID) and hands it to the script, which then returns 
the complete data and tellico decides which fields to update.

It would be much more flexible, if instead tellico just handed the full 
data of the selected entries to the script, the script would then pick 
out the necessary ID info, get the data from the web merge it with the 
original data and hand back the full data of the selected entries which 
tellico then uses as a replacement.

The same "filter" mechanism could then actually be used for all kinds of 
other actions, like normalizing the data to a standard form, removing 
duplicates, whatever.

Just an idea...

Greetings,
Norbert
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Robby Stephenson | 13 Jun 2008 07:35
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Re: Drag'n'drop for URLs?

On Thursday 12 June 2008, Norbert Nemec wrote:
> Now, one of the nice thing about these plugins is, that they accept a
> URL as input and return all the bibliographic data including the
> abstract.
>
> It would be really neat, if one could drag'n'drop a URL onto tellico and
> this would then be run through a script. Is there a way to do that?

Bibdesk, I think, has a feature like that, browsing through Google Scholar 
or something, and the URL is parsed for records to import. I emailed with 
Alf Eaton a bit about embedding the Javascript engine, partially for zotero 
support, but generally for browsing and extracting. I didn't make much 
headway with it.

I can't think of a way to do what you describe right now. The DND right now 
looks at the mimetype of the URL to call one of the importers. There's not 
much flexibility there.

Robby
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