Re: KDE Live CD/DVD

On Tuesday 30 November 2010 17:29:25 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 17:15, Justin <justin <at> neomantra.org> wrote:
> > On Nov 30, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Lydia Pintscher <lydia <at> kde.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 15:24, Justin Kirby <justin <at> neomantra.org> wrote:
> >>> Hi Evyatar,
> >>> Thanks for picking up this task. �:) �I think it would be really
> >>> cool if its possible for you to really get down into customizing
> >>> the post-install stuff too. �A couple ideas for this:
> >>> * having some bookmarks pre-configured that point to important
> >>> resources that a booth person would want to reference (kde.org, the
> >>> promo youtube channel, userbase, techbase, community wiki, etc)
> >>> * having some example Plasma Activities pre-configured for common
> >>> tasks
> >>> (e.g. a 'school' activity, a 'social' activity, a 'work' activity, a
> >>> 'development' activity)
> >>> * I think Stu's idea about having some pre-loaded media for demos of
> >>> audio/video/photo apps is a good one.
> >>> * One final idea is to setup a 'KDE Promo booth account' for some of
> >>> the popular social services out there like identi.ca, open desktop,
> >>> twitter, facebook, etc. �That way we could demo our apps and
> >>> plasmoids that take advantage of these services without booth staff
> >>> having to use their personal accounts. �If someone does this and
> >>> there was some way for you to pre-configure the installation to
> >>> have this account added in the relevant apps/plasmoids that would
> >>> be cool.
> >>> - Justin
> >> 
> >> I think this is getting a bit out of scope for this task. But it's a
> >> cool idea for another Code-in task. Would you or anyone else be
> >> willing to mentor this?

Re: KDE Live CD/DVD

On Sunday 28 November 2010 22:04:13 Evyatar Parker wrote:
> I was talking about openSUSE the distro, not KDE Four Live project based on
> it.
> I have nothing against any of the mentioned projects, but they
> are different projects than mine.

While I agree with Stu that you can use whatever you want, you're only half 
right about openSUSE. openSUSE is all about choice - hence it simply offers 
SUSE branding and Upstream branding packages. The KDE FOUR live comes with the 
same packages as any openSUSE product - Will just choose upstream branding 
packages instead of the openSUSE branded.

Moreover, ANY kind of live CD you want to make can be made in 20 minutes 
point-and-click on http://susestudio.com

Before you start working with all kinds of hacky scripts and stuff (yes, I 
made my own liveCD's on Arch) I would recommend to look at SUSE Studio. It is 
a much more maintainable and long-term solution. It even allows for the 
product (be it a liveCD, or any kind of virtual-machine image, or Live USB) to 
be live-tested in your web browser (it runs on the SUSE Studio servers). And 
if that isn't enough, you can make changes there in that live test drive - and 
those changes will be saved and become part of the end product.

In other words, while Arch is cool, openSUSE offers a few things Arch simply 
can't offer you. So look at it and make sure you make an informed choice 

> Evyatar Parker
> 
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Markus Slopianka 
<markus.s <at> kdemail.net>wrote:

Re: KDE Live CD/DVD

On Thursday 02 December 2010 22:31:16 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Sunday 28 November 2010 22:04:13 Evyatar Parker wrote:
> > I was talking about openSUSE the distro, not KDE Four Live project based
> > on it.
> > I have nothing against any of the mentioned projects, but they
> > are different projects than mine.
> 
> While I agree with Stu

Yay  But aren't you engaging in a bit of thread necromancy here? Hmm, me 
too it seems...

> Before you start working 

As I understand it, Evyatar has actually *finished* working at this point

Still, things learnt, maybe if we do this again etc etc... Though OBS etc were 
mentioned in the original task proposal, along with other services. Personally 
I don't know enough to make a judgement on which would be best for me, let 
alone someone else.

Cheers,
Stu

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a persoanl experience

Hi,

this morning I had this experience. My point is not to go over a well known 
discussion again. Just to let you know that this still happens and I thought it 
didn't anymore.

I had a meeting this morning with an owner of a little free soft. company from 
the south of Spain. Like many companies here (not Govs), he was a happy KDE 3 
series user, like his other friends from his company (3 more people I think). 
They waited to install KDE4 because of the bad comments about KDE4.0 They waited 
until KDE 4.2 and were really unhappy with the result, so they moved to GNOME 
(Ubuntu). 

He has an N900 and, like some other companies from the organization I work for, 
they are interested in Maemo/Qt. I mean that he feel confortable with some 
technologies we also use and promote.

I explain him that I use KDE 4.4 and showed him the laptop I had (with Kubuntu). 
I also told him about KDE 4.5, what is comming in KDE 4.6 , that have many 
improvements related with Nepomuk, my/our point of view of the begginning of KDE 
4 series...well, you know...the whole story in 20 minutes.

He told me he will install the next Kubuntu. Maybe our conversation worked....

I felt a little sad going back home because I thought this issue was something 
from the past. At least people around me that uses KDE haven't complain lately 
about this. But I just realised that there are people out there that switched to 
GNOME and maybe are not comming back because they are not aware of how good we 
are now and do not know the whole story, or at least our point of view, of the 
KDE4 birth.

Re: a persoanl experience

On Friday, December 3, 2010, Agustín Benito Bethencourt (Toscalix) wrote:
> was invoved in a few weeks ago, I saw a couple of speakers with KDE 3.5. I
> didn't pay any attention to it until today. Now I wonder why they haven't
> switched.

we're coming up on 3 years since the initial launch. we got fucked on a number 
of fronts but have generally recovered. the market follows that, but it does 
follow rather than lead. it takes time and we need to continue to beat the 
drum.

we pulled back to even with GNOME in the LJ reader's choice awards this year, 
jumping 10 points. news on the web is generally universally positive for what 
we're putting out there. we have lots of great opportunities with Qt, mobile, 
etc. that people are starting to recognize as well.

through the great efforts of people like you on the ground, our small army of 
grassroots promoters, high-level news contributors, etc. we're continueing to 
get the message out and round up the flock again.

we need to simply continue doing this. keep reaching out, keep making the one-
on-one as well as the one-to-many contacts.

if there is energy and time (i have neither to spare atm, unfortunately :/ ) 
we could stand to boost our grassroots efforts by giving people tools to help 
spread the word about KDE's software amongst their friends and colleagues. 
tool #1 is confidence and permission, other tools might be presentation 
materials and organizational helpers (like organizing a "present KDE in your 
local community" campaign). we're already encouraging this in our release 
announcements, so we've already been starting on some of that.

Re: a persoanl experience

On Friday, December 03, 2010 06:49:46 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> if there is energy and time (i have neither to spare atm, unfortunately :/
> ) we could stand to boost our grassroots efforts by giving people tools to
> help spread the word about KDE's software amongst their friends and
> colleagues. tool #1 is confidence and permission, other tools might be
> presentation materials

This is happening, albeit slowly. The reorganised wiki will have a materials 
area with downloads all in one place and advice on giving presentations, 
holding release parties etc.

Google Code In is also helping to get some of this stuff into shape - new kde 
software demo cd for download (in progress) and someone has just volunteered 
to make us a slide show and some introductory screencasts - the kinds of 
things that make it much easier for busy people to quickly put together a KDE 
presentation for a local audience

> and organizational helpers (like organizing a
> "present KDE in your local community" campaign).

This would be a great idea. Issue, as always, is time

> on a personal note: Augustin, thanks for being a KDE Superhero in Spain. :)

+1 on that

Cheers,
stu

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Re: a persoanl experience

On Saturday 04 December 2010 08:42:14 Stuart Jarvis wrote:
> This is happening, albeit slowly. The reorganised wiki will have a
> materials  area with downloads all in one place and advice on giving
> presentations, holding release parties etc.

Re-organising a wiki is not a trivial task, as I know to my cost.  There are 
several current initiatives, including Moult's Wall of Text and a re-design 
being worked on by imalchow and it-s, so now is a good time to do some 
thinking about this.

What is lacking, it seems to me, is any sort of specification document.  There 
needs to be a single page that sets out exactly what is to go in each wiki, 
and how it is to be organised.  IMO this should be done in conjunction with 
Moult's project, but it certainly needs to be done.  The present approach is 
pretty undisciplined, which makes it hard to find any information.

Anne
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Re: KDE Live CD/DVD

El Lunes, 29 de Noviembre de 2010 03:18:59 Sandro Andrade escribió:
> Hi guys,
> 
> Actually this task was one of promo ideas inserted into the early KDE
> projects page for CGI and I volunteered myself for mentoring it since
> I consider it an important stuff for marketing KDE. This is intended
> to be a Live CD for showing off newest KDE SC but mainly devoted to
> make promotion stuff like screencasts, videos, and general artwork
> easily available for event booths, no claim to become an official KDE
> live cd, maybe a misleading task title ...
> 
> I picked up a bunch of technologies for Live CD customization
> (including SUSEStudio) and only asked Evyatar to make something easily
> updatable.
> 
> Evyatar, as replied in Melange, we may keep discussion about this in
> kde-promo in order to get feedback from other guys. I wouldn't go for
> including non-free stuff, I think we are able to have a nice promo
> Live CD without these.
> 

I know it's too late. Sorry.
Anyways, I just wanted to say that months ago I built a KDE Live CD for 
Akademy 2010. It uses upstream artwork, no distribution-specific icons, so 
it's hard to tell what's under the hood. I also customised bootsplash and 
gxfboot branding to make it look more KDEish. PDFs about KDE are also there in 
the desktop. I think it has everything. Besides having built it, it's easy to 
maintain; the Live CD is rebuilt automatically whenever I upload new KDE 
tarballs to the KDE package repository. KIWI is also amazing, it takes care of 
many things 

Laptop skins

Hello everyone!

Here I am forwarding Alin Marin Elena's idea (he's not subscribed to kde-
promo).

"I have a macbook pro aluminium crap on which I run opensuse... Due to my 
usage the poor thing it is exposed to scratches... my wrist watch mainly... As 
I have no intention of getting rid of the mac, the watch or the habit, I 
decided to get a skin to protect the mac...

This is where I got an idea... It seems that there are plenty of websites that 
offer the possibility to skin your laptop.
I was wondering if at project level we can "associate" in a way with one of 
them... The project provides official artwork to skin the device, we the 
supporters can buy it, for each bought the project gets back few shekels...

What do you think about? would be a good way to increase visibility of the 
project and maybe get some money for it too."

"here is a list of sites that do what I said

http://www.skinit.com/
http://www.istyles.com/
http://www.gelaskins.com
http://www.infectious.com
http://www.schtickers.com/
http://www.decalgirl.com

It will be great if anybody else knows other sites."

Re: KDE Live CD/DVD

Hey,

On Sunday, December 05, 2010 12:21:41 am Javier Llorente wrote:
> El Lunes, 29 de Noviembre de 2010 03:18:59 Sandro Andrade escribió:
> > Actually this task was one of promo ideas inserted into the early KDE
> > projects page for CGI and I volunteered myself for mentoring it since
> > I consider it an important stuff for marketing KDE. This is intended
> > to be a Live CD for showing off newest KDE SC but mainly devoted to
> > make promotion stuff like screencasts, videos, and general artwork
> > easily available for event booths, no claim to become an official KDE
> > live cd, maybe a misleading task title ...

> I know it's too late. Sorry.
> Anyways, I just wanted to say that months ago I built a KDE Live CD for
> Akademy 2010. It uses upstream artwork, no distribution-specific icons, so
> it's hard to tell what's under the hood. I also customised bootsplash and
> gxfboot branding to make it look more KDEish. PDFs about KDE are also there
> in the desktop. I think it has everything. Besides having built it, it's
> easy to maintain; the Live CD is rebuilt automatically whenever I upload
> new KDE tarballs to the KDE package repository. KIWI is also amazing, it
> takes care of many things 
> 
> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=akademy-
> live&project=KDE%3AMedias

Is this KDE Four Live or something different? I don't know OBS well so this 
might be a stupid question, but following the link and then clickin on 
'images' takes me eventually to:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Medias/images/iso/
If that's the right place, should I be looking at KDE Four Live or KDE