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Kushal Das | 1 Oct 13:59
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Fwd: [fedora-india] [Fwd: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]


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Subject: [fedora-india] [Fwd: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette 
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Date: Wednesday 01 October 2008
From: "Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ)" <foss.mailinglists <at> gmail.com>
To: The Fedora Project Community in India <fedora-india <at> redhat.com>

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Subject: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:51:06 +0530 (IST)
From: Atul Chitnis <listadmin <at> linux-bangalore.org>
Reply-To: linux-bangalore-non-tech <at> yahoogroups.com
To: FOSS.IN <foss-in <at> yahoogroups.com>

All:

A lot of people have noticed that unlike in previous years, we are not as
loud about FOSS.IN as we usually are. Now that the Call for Participation
is about to be published, it is time to explain why FOSS.IN/2008 is going
to be different from earlier incarnations.

First a quick reminder: FOSS.IN/2008 happens November 25-29, 2008, in
Bangalore, India. The website is at http://foss.in.

EVENT FOCUS
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FOSS.IN has never been about advocacy, or philosophical discussions. While
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Aditya Godbole | 1 Oct 22:45
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Re: Fwd: [fedora-india] [Fwd: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

Sorry for top posting. This is a bit funny. When I suggested on the
FOSS.in list that there shouldn't be any talks, I was blasted and told
that the conference isn't for me. I promptly stopped my list
subscription to prevent further flames.
The funny part is that the organisers come up with this original,
brilliant idea after the discussion. Hmm. Also I still haven't been
given an acceptable definition of 'contributor'.

-aditya

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas <at> gmail.com> wrote:
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> Date: Wednesday 01 October 2008
> From: "Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ)" <foss.mailinglists <at> gmail.com>
> To: The Fedora Project Community in India <fedora-india <at> redhat.com>
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:51:06 +0530 (IST)
> From: Atul Chitnis <listadmin <at> linux-bangalore.org>
> Reply-To: linux-bangalore-non-tech <at> yahoogroups.com
> To: FOSS.IN <foss-in <at> yahoogroups.com>
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> All:
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Kartik Mistry | 2 Oct 05:21
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Re: Fwd: [fedora-india] [Fwd: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Aditya Godbole <aag.lists@...> wrote:
>  Hmm. Also I still haven't been
> given an acceptable definition of 'contributor'.

(fixed _topic)

Contributors are contributors. Don't accept others definitions and
just contribute what you are doing. Omelette post obviously says that
translators, packagers (Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Any distro developers),
patch submitters, bug hunters are/will not count as eligible
contributors in foss.in/2008.

Happy coding. I am going to rewrite Kernel in C++ and Lua ;)

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Aditya Godbole | 2 Oct 08:31
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Re: Fwd: [fedora-india] [Fwd: [blug-non-tech] FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar@...> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008, Aditya Godbole sent out 29K bytes to say:
> Was your suggestion to the list this post:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/foss-in/message/5147 ?
>
> Made after the event announcement? It's kinda funny to accuse someone of
> plagarism when the event announcement is already out.
>

Thanks for the link, I was searching for it. If you follow the thread,
you will be able to see the reluctance on the list to accept my
suggestions. Not to mention the ancient 'gyan' of 'code is a metaphor'
and 'foss.in is about ... contribution' being thrown about everywhere
and mostly where it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm only glad that one way or
other, my suggestion is being implemented.

> In any case, FOSS.IN is a community event, and happily takes suggestions
> from FOSS contributors and delegates.
>

Exactly my point. Maybe that willingness to accept suggestions should
reflect in the replies on the list.

> And we aren't dropping talks for more workshops/tutorials. We are
> dropping them to have real developers get an opportunity to get together
> and hack on stuff that matters.
>
> As for the definition of contributor, it's in last years CfP, and will
> be there in this year's CfP.
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Atul Chitnis | 2 Oct 10:49
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Re: FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Aditya Godbole wrote on the KDE-India list, at 
http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-india/2008-October/000764.html :

> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Tejas Dinkar <tejasdinkar@...> wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Oct 2008, Aditya Godbole sent out 29K bytes to say:
>> Was your suggestion to the list this post:
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/foss-in/message/5147 ?
>>
>> Made after the event announcement? It's kinda funny to accuse someone of
>> plagarism when the event announcement is already out.
>>
>
> Thanks for the link, I was searching for it. If you follow the thread,
> you will be able to see the reluctance on the list to accept my
> suggestions. Not to mention the ancient 'gyan' of 'code is a metaphor'
> and 'foss.in is about ... contribution' being thrown about everywhere
> and mostly where it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
> I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I'm only glad that one way or
> other, my suggestion is being implemented.

Too much pride, Aditya, too much pride.

First of all, let's get something clear - you or your post had absolutely 
*nothing* to do with how FOSS.IN is changing. In fact, i don't even see 
any similarity between your brief post and what the format is this year, 
other than a few very generic references here and there. And the rejection 
didn't come from me - it came from other people, real, recognized hackers 
and contributors.

FOSS.IN/2008 is based on discussions and feedback I have been having over
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Aditya Godbole | 2 Oct 12:49
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Re: FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Atul Chitnis <mail@...> wrote:
>
> Too much pride, Aditya, too much pride.

Or maybe, just a different vision for free software in India.

>
> You refer to a few rather throw away, flippant remarks you made on the
> list, in an attempt to position your opinion (one that didn't really show
> up, because there wasn't any, other than "I am too good for this
> conference").

I never said that. All I said was that this conference is not what I
am looking for. Please do not read between the lines. I don't write
between them.

>
> My reply to you was very clear:
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/foss-in/message/5178
>
> There was no reply from you as far as I can see, other than you
> unsubscribing from the list.
>

As I said, that was because I realised that the conference was not for
me. I have no purpose on the list now, hence I unsubscribed.

> Nothing has changed in our stand. We have not changed our definition of
> "contributing" (btw - it would be good to see some of your contributions
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Atul Chitnis | 2 Oct 13:00
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Re: FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Aditya Godbole wrote:

<snip>

Way too much spin in that reply, I am not replying to this any further, 
but I am going to send you something in private mail that will make you 
eat your words. You *certainly* are not as innocent and wellmeaning as you 
try to paint yourself here.

I stand by my words.

End of this discussion (from my end).

-ac
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Aditya Godbole | 2 Oct 13:25
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Re: FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)]

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Atul Chitnis <mail@...> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008, Aditya Godbole wrote:
> You *certainly* are not as innocent and wellmeaning as you
> try to paint yourself here.
>

This reply is to everyone, not just Atul.
Did it seem that I'm trying to paint myself as innocent and
wellmeaning? I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention.
Please always consider the possibility that I am conceited and evil
every time you read my mail or talk to me. Please doubt everything I
write, if you feel so.

Anyway, enough of this personal stuff. After a point, it gets pointless :P

Over and out.

-aditya
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Arun Raghavan | 2 Oct 18:01
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Aditya, Kartik,

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Kartik Mistry
<kartik.mistry@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Aditya Godbole <aag.lists@...> wrote:
>>  Hmm. Also I still haven't been
>> given an acceptable definition of 'contributor'.
>
> (fixed _topic)
>
> Contributors are contributors. Don't accept others definitions and
> just contribute what you are doing. Omelette post obviously says that
> translators, packagers (Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Any distro developers),
> patch submitters, bug hunters are/will not count as eligible
> contributors in foss.in/2008.

I think there is a some gap in what we are trying to say and what is
being read in the announcement. I do hope that my post on the foss.in
ML (http://is.gd/3qQE) goes some way in explaining.
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Rajeev J Sebastian | 2 Oct 18:58
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On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Kartik Mistry
<kartik.mistry@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Aditya Godbole <aag.lists@...> wrote:
>>  Hmm. Also I still haven't been
>> given an acceptable definition of 'contributor'.
>
> (fixed _topic)
>
> Contributors are contributors. Don't accept others definitions and
> just contribute what you are doing. Omelette post obviously says that
> translators, packagers (Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/Any distro developers),
> patch submitters, bug hunters are/will not count as eligible
> contributors in foss.in/2008.

Personally, I feel this is a great step taken by the floss team. So
Kudos to them. And yes the aforementioned do not seem to be *eligible*
contributors for the *meet*, even though their contribution are indeed
real, true, appreciated and welcome contributions (umm ... except for
patch submitters who do seem to be eligible in some way, depending on
what you mean by "patch").

For a country with the second largest population in the world, and
supposedly also a "software powerhouse" as per various trade
magazines, our level of engagement with FLOSS has been far too low ...
where are all the Pradeeptos and Gopals of India ? *That* is why this
is important.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian
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