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Marc Mutz | 1 Jun 2002 02:49
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[LinuxTag] PGP keysigning event Friday, June 7th <at> 17:00


Hi!

Since it seems that KDE people who attend LinuxTag will be there at
least on Friday, I've arranged a workshop slot to hold a keysigning
event of Friday, 17:00 in room R 2.05[1].

Judging from last year, I'd expect more than 50 people attending the
keysigning, mostly Debian guys.
Together with the opportunites outside this event, expect to use up your
100 copies of
  gpg --with-fingerprint --list-keys <your key id>
This is no joke! Last year, I had 80 copies and that was definitely not
enough. That doesn't mean you'll get that much signatures, though. Last
year I acquired ~20 sigs. That was enough to boost me into the top100
of best-connected PGP keys (see pgp.dtype.org/keyanalyze)!

I hope to see the majority of KDE people with PGP keys there. I know of
approx. KDE 30 people coming to LinuxTag this year that have a PGP key.

I have compiled a list of KDE people of which I know or think that they
have PGP keys and this list has 41 entries. Of the 700+ people in
bugs/accounts, at least 100 have pgp keys (I have a listing containing
554 lines, but that contains duplicates, e.g. my key comes up with five
lines, since I have five UIDs).

I'd also like to repeat once more that Heise Verlag will have a booth on
LinuxTag again. They, too, will sign keys, but you have to send your
public key to them before LT or give to them on a floppy there. Getting
signed by Heise means that your key becomes instantly verifyable to
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Carsten Wolff | 1 Jun 2002 11:14
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

On Saturday 01 June 2002 00:41, Neil Stevens wrote:
> On Friday May 31, 2002 03:09, Carsten Wolff wrote:
> > On Friday 31 May 2002 20:33, Neil Stevens wrote:
> > > The second page of the personalizer lets you choose an environment to
> > > mimic.  I propose that KDE 2/3.0 be added to that list.
> >
> > Ah, I see. That would probably be a good idea, if there was more than
> > just the preselect-style-signal to the stylepage (step4), wich would be
> > different to KDE (3.1) default.
> > What else do you think should distinguish the 2/3.0 theme from the 3.1
> > one? I mean, ospage is mainly about things like double-click, window
> > decoration, focus model, shortcut-schemes, etc., virtually the "feel"
> > in look&feel. And I think widget-style and icons are more likely to
> > represent the "look" and belong to stylepage.
>
> Most of the feel is identical, yes.  But having a fixed in stone KDE 2
> setting here will allow things to change later, while still giving people
> access to the current established defaults.

Still, as long as it is only styles, wich are different, I don't think it's 
logical to put the option on ospage, stylepage would be more suitable.

> Also, I wonder if there would there be any chance that KPersonalizer
> could affect the clipboard settings, too?  So that selecting KDE 2 would
> give the selection/clipboard sync?

I have committed a patch a few weeks ago, wich set the sync for "unix" and 
unsets it for "Win" and kde. (BTW, what would be the right setting for 
Mac?) So this would be a thing, that were different in a kde2-scheme, 
you're right.
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Torsten Rahn | 1 Jun 2002 14:42
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

On Friday 31 May 2002 21:53, Volker Augustin wrote:
> Keramik as in kdelibs is butt-ugly IMO. 

There are a lot of people who think the same about you, the current style and

> It just looks bloated, takes away
> sceen space and pretends that a screen is three-dimensional. What I dislike
> most is that it pretends to be three-dimensional. While this is ok within
> limits (Light, 3rd), I do not really like it because at least my screen is
> still flat ... and I doubt three-dimensional screens will come anytime soon

Can you move parts of your screen? There are objects on the screen which 
pretend to be movable. Still if you put your finger on them you'll see that 
it's just the computer who makes you think that there is something on the 
screen that you can actually move. Nasty, isn't it?

Actually this is the most ridiculous and absurd nonsense I heard during the 
last year. Congrats!

Tackat

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Torsten Rahn | 1 Jun 2002 15:06
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:25, Josef Weidendorfer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Friday 31 May 2002 22:03, Dirk Mueller wrote:
> > On Fre, 31 Mai 2002, Thomas Diehl wrote:
> ...
> > I'm not so sure. Currently Keramik uses hardcoded colors. We can't make a
> > style default that doesn't adopt to the users color settings.
> I don't understand the problem with the one hardcoded color -- blue --
> here. As long as there's only ONE color (which is known), why not simply
> apply a hue shift/saturate/colorize step like for the icon effects to get
> the wished color?
> I'm sure we could use the code from icon effects.
> OK, we need a "hue shift" effect together with a table of what color makes
> with what hue degree shifting which color...

This has already been worked on and unfortunately it's not as easy as you 
might think ;-)  (Actually I proposed this idea very much at the beginning 
and didn't see too many problems with this either).

Still I'd consider this a critical bug which has to be resolved until KDE 3.1 
is out. Until then we should make this style default to get rid of all these 
issues as soon as possible. 

Judging from the current response, the response during the KDE 3 developer 
meeting and from the opinions I heard during the recent months I would say 
that there is an overwhelming amount of people who agreed on having this 
style by default.

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Josef Weidendorfer | 1 Jun 2002 12:25
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

Hi,

On Friday 31 May 2002 22:03, Dirk Mueller wrote:
> On Fre, 31 Mai 2002, Thomas Diehl wrote:
...
> I'm not so sure. Currently Keramik uses hardcoded colors. We can't make a
> style default that doesn't adopt to the users color settings.

I don't understand the problem with the one hardcoded color -- blue -- here.
As long as there's only ONE color (which is known), why not simply
apply a hue shift/saturate/colorize step like for the icon effects to get
the wished color?
I'm sure we could use the code from icon effects.
OK, we need a "hue shift" effect together with a table of what color makes 
with what hue degree shifting which color...

Another idea: Why not use SVG for the window decoration, and adjust the
colors in the SVG source code? SVG with filter effects can be very 
appealing...

Josef

>
>
> Dirk
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Carsten Pfeiffer | 1 Jun 2002 09:32
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 11:14:11AM +0200, Carsten Wolff wrote:
> 
> I have committed a patch a few weeks ago, wich set the sync for "unix" and 
> unsets it for "Win" and kde. (BTW, what would be the right setting for 
> Mac?) So this would be a thing, that were different in a kde2-scheme, 
> you're right.
> Then Carsten Pfeiffer told me, the klipper-option was broken and will be 
> removed, not fixed. Now I just see, that there has some work on it going 
> on. So, Carsten P., please tell me, is it fixed? Can I 
> adapt kpersonalizer now?

I added a frontend to QClipboard, which makes the clipboard configurable.
That means, that every KDE application would have to be "ported" to the new
KClipboard tho. And I'm not sure if we could override everything in Qt, setting
the clipboard as well.

And all this would only help KDE applications of course, plain Qt applications
or anything else wouldn't obey these settings.

So I think I'll submit KClipboard to the Trolls, asking if they'd adopt this
kind of interface and the configurability.

Cheers
Carsten Pfeiffer
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Oswald Buddenhagen | 1 Jun 2002 10:15
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

> and I doubt three-dimensional screens will come anytime soon ;-)
> 
you can get a 15" 3d-tft for $2000 from dti (www.dti3d.com).
and some software for them from www.dr-baldeweg.de  >:-)=)
but, oh, well, this is OT ... :)

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Volker Augustin | 1 Jun 2002 16:37
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?

Torsten Rahn wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2002 21:53, Volker Augustin wrote:
>> Keramik as in kdelibs is butt-ugly IMO.
> 
> There are a lot of people who think the same about you, the current style
> and ...

You seem to be a real nice and friendly guy. Thanks.

So, you think that the following screenshot looks good? (keramik as in 
kdelibs out-of-the-box)
http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~auv20213/keramik0.png

Selecting the window decoration and Michael's color-scheme makes it better
(see http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~auv20213/keramik2.png). But still I 
dislike it. But if you really want to make it all 3-dimensional, you should 
include the menus too. Having 2D-menus on a 3D-menubar does not look too 
consistent. By the way, if you have the KDE default color-theme and keramik 
style, the kicker context is messed up.
(http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~auv20213/keramik1.png)

Volker
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Chris Howells | 1 Jun 2002 17:05
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KDE 3.1 release schedule


Hi,

It's now been two months since the release of KDE 3.0 and we still have no KDE 
3.1 release schedule. Could this please be rectified as I, and I suspect 
other people need to know when it's going to be released so we can work out 
what we have time to do for 3.1, and what will have to wait for 3.2.

Thanks.

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Carsten Pfeiffer | 1 Jun 2002 14:47
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Re: kde 3.1 -- make Keramik default?


On Saturday 01 June 2002 16:37, Volker Augustin wrote:

> You seem to be a real nice and friendly guy. Thanks.

Calling other people's work "butt-ugly" doesn't sound nice to me either.

> So, you think that the following screenshot looks good? (keramik as in
> kdelibs out-of-the-box)
> http://homepages.uni-regensburg.de/~auv20213/keramik0.png

Yes. And no, it's not out-of-the-box, icons on buttons are not enabled by 
default.

Cheers
Carsten Pfeiffer
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