Re: [kde-artists] please turn off label animations...
Nuno Pinheiro <nuno <at> oxygen-icons.org>
2009-12-24 02:20:06 GMT
On Thursday, 24 de December de 2009 01:11:01 Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 23 de December de 2009 22:54:51 Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> >> Label animations are gratuitous eye candy, contribute to making the
> >> system feel 'slower', and so far (IMHO) are proving distracting (or even
> >> broken) more often than enjoyable. Besides they are bad usability:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE&hl. (Watch the first 15
> >> minutes at least; after that it eventually goes into ZUI. Point is
> >> oxygen is drifting too far to annoying, and animations are much of the
> >> problem.)
> >> I think they should be OFF by default, perhaps with an option for
> >> individual widgets to request them (which would make the option choices
> >> 'none', 'some', 'all').
> > this is your opinion
> Sure, I /did/ say that. However I think it is backed up by professional
> usability guidance.
> > most of the animations (apart from the tab animation)
> > does not interfere in any way with your work, they are extremly fast and
> > im most cases invisible, they are there to provide a more polished look
> > to the intire experience avoiding the instant changes.
> The others, maybe. The labels are not, especially with status indicators
> that need to be instantaneous. They're in the same category as tab
> animations. It sounds like you recognize that the tab animations can be
> an issue (and I'll assume you recognize that this is not merely because
> they can be slower than intended). The labels are *the exact same
> thing*, just affecting a smaller area of an interface.
no all animations that actuality prevent you from clicking on the content
before they are done are supposed to be off by default the system should not
in any case prevent the user to move the move the mouse at the speed of light
and click what ever he want to. The tabs transition does that and was only
default for a short period so people would test it for debugging proposes.
Were never intended to be real 4.4 default...
if the label thing does that then yes it should be off by default, actually it
should be right now,,, hugo should know better
all other animations in oxygen were done in a way they don't interfere in any
way with your work, aka a button does not look less pressable because of the
over effect, the effects do not interfere n the actual edit or content area.
(side note I have all of them on including tabs and I don't find them
intrusive at all)
> As an experiment, try making a simple digital clock, and ask yourself if
> you really like the animating labels.
> I'm okay with animating mouseover effects, but user interface elements
> should not "lag".
> > Oxygen is not drifting it was our goal since day 1 that NOTHING would be
> > instant, but rather transitory, the animations are really subtle and most
> > people don't even notice them.
> So long as you understand this sort of thing causes a feeling of
> Beware; you are the marketer! It is our job as developers to know when
> to /not/ listen to you. (I am not kidding; it's explained in the video.)
There was ablog post the other day about the reasons being a designer at
Google was bad. developers do not know more about usability than designers!
Developers are not God nor are designers, but designers should do Design
developers do development and usability experts shod to the usability thing.
> It helps of course if you, as the marketer, understand the peril of your
> position and can see things from the usability perspective also. (Maybe
> you will not always succeed, but understanding is most of the battle.)
> > the stuf shown so far in youtube is 3
> > times slower than the real ones (you cant notece them over the video
> > thing at normal speed)
> Are we talking about the Google talk I linked, or some youtube Oxygen
> video I have never seen?
some of the later, thought you were referring to some of the hyped videos on
you tube about all of that ...
> (If the latter, did you watch the former? There
> is no need to watch all of it, just the first 10-15 minutes where he
> talks about the tension between boring and annoying.)
> > plus I'm not sure you even used them
> > I know many people did not notice them yet and they are using trunk.
> > any way they are all on by default except the tab one that was only on by
> > default to let people find bugs in it.
> Believe me, I used/noticed them. I am running trunk as of Monday at
> worst (might be yesterday). I ogled at them the first three times. Then
> I realized they are annoying. Now they are off and I intend to keep them
> off. It will be unfortunate if that means I lose mouseover animations
> (which are okay), but that's the lesser evil.
> > Side note if you find oxygen animations to strong and distractive dude
> > you are in for a surprise with plasma.
> Really? I haven't seen plasma annoy me yet. (Though I don't have
> composite, so I don't get any of the kwin bits, just glow on hover of
> taskbar stuff. Which, as above, is different from the interface
> responding sluggishly.)
> Plasma's (digital) clock (also trunk, same rev as oxygen) updates
I'M not a marketer, I'm a designer/engineer but if I was I would tell you that
in this day and age the people s attention span as shrunken down to 3 seconds.
so you better capture the attention of your possible customer in those 3
seconds or become irrelevant.
I'm not saying this is a good thing, personally I'm very critical of the path
the entire consumption society is going, but there is a difference between
what it should be and what it really is, think we should alleyways be in the
real world addressing the real people, trying to do something meaningful.
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