[kde-artists] KDE style intergration

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Re: [kde-artists] KDE style intergration

A Segunda, 12 de Outubro de 2009 20:06:04 Sven Brettschneider você escreveu:
> Hello,
> 
> KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers,
>  designers, artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow
>  so much in a few years.
> 
> I have a few ideas  to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more
> beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn
>  C++, but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick
>  examples (images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/
> 
> All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air
> etc.).
> The plasma desktop looks beautiful.
> If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you
>  can see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you
>  customized the colors.)
> I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and dolphin
> with a gray background.(click here). Every program looks
> better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click
>  menu etc.)
> 
> For further information about this idea, please answer the mail.
> 
> Sven
> 
> PS> Sorry my English isn't perfect. (I'm Dutch.)
> 
cant say it looks bad but the way styles work in qt make it realy hard to make 
that work. its  a nice idea... 

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Re: [kde-artists] KDE style integration

Sven Brettschneider wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers, 
> designers,
> 
> artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow so much in a
> 
> few years.
> 
> I have a few ideas to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more
> 
> beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn 
> C++,
> 
> but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick examples
> 
> (images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/
> 
> All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air 
> etc.).
> 
> The plasma desktop looks beautiful.
> 
> If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you 
> can
> 
> see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you
> 
> customized the colors.)
> 
> I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and dolphin
> 
> with a gray background.(click here <http://www.seventho.nl/images/>). 
> Every program looks
> 
> better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click 
> menu
> 
> etc.)
> 
I have to agree with you although I would say that it could work either 
way.  The point is that a KDE-4 desktop has three different styles:

	Application

	Window Frame

	Plasma (DeskTop)

This is not really new in KDE-4 except that the DeskTop didn't have a 
very apparent style.

This is not a good thing.  The only way to make the three styles match 
is to make a set of matching styles.  This was done in KDE-3 for the 
Application and Window Frame styles.

I have to say that my complaint is different.  I do not like seeing 
dialogs pop up with the Plasma style while I have an application open 
and the styles don't match at all.

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Re: [kde-artists] KDE style integration

A Terça, 13 de Outubro de 2009 00:46:38 James Tyrer você escreveu:
> Sven Brettschneider wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > KDE 4.3 looks great. I really admire the work of the programmers,
> > designers,
> >
> > artists, translators and all the others who have made KDE grow so much in
> > a
> >
> > few years.
> >
> > I have a few ideas to make KDE (my friends an my opinion) a little more
> >
> > beautiful. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer (although I want to learn
> > C++,
> >
> > but I don't know where to begin, so I have only made a few quick examples
> >
> > (images). Watch them at http://www.seventho.nl/images/
> >
> > All plasma widgets are using the theme you have chosen (eg Oxygen or Air
> > etc.).
> >
> > The plasma desktop looks beautiful.
> >
> > If you're going to open a program, for example Konqueror or Dolphin, you
> > can
> >
> > see that the background of the window is gray. (or other colors if you
> >
> > customized the colors.)
> >
> > I'll show you the big difference between dolphin with air style and
> > dolphin
> >
> > with a gray background.(click here <http://www.seventho.nl/images/>).
> > Every program looks
> >
> > better with the air style background (openoffice, konqueror, right-click
> > menu
> >
> > etc.)
> 
> I have to agree with you although I would say that it could work either
> way.  The point is that a KDE-4 desktop has three different styles:
> 
> 	Application
> 
> 	Window Frame
> 
> 	Plasma (DeskTop)
> 
> This is not really new in KDE-4 except that the DeskTop didn't have a
> very apparent style.
> 
> This is not a good thing.  The only way to make the three styles match
> is to make a set of matching styles.  This was done in KDE-3 for the
> Application and Window Frame styles.
> 
> I have to say that my complaint is different.  I do not like seeing
> dialogs pop up with the Plasma style while I have an application open
> and the styles don't match at all.
> 
some of the reasoning for the difference, in the first place what you can do 
is plasma is not what you can do in qtstyle, they are very difrent in nature.

also the way they are meant to be used is very very different wille plasmoids 
are things of occasional use the qt apps are to be used possibly for several 
hours. (you would not do a word processor in plasma would you? on the other 
end a litle internet tictactoe game might be more interesting in plasma than 
in a regular window)

I gess that if we wanted plasma to look like the qt apps we would not need 
plasma would we?

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Re: [kde-artists] KDE style integration

On October 12, 2009, Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
> some of the reasoning for the difference, in the first place what you can
>  do is plasma is not what you can do in qtstyle, they are very difrent in
>  nature.

the visual distinction is a purposeful thing indeed and involves more than 
just the specifics of the air theme. it draws a clear distinction between the 
things that are "part of the system" (desktop shell and window management, 
power and network management) and things that are "mine" (applications i 
launch, documents i view/edit, etc)

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Re: [kde-artists] KDE style integration

Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On October 12, 2009, Nuno Pinheiro wrote:
>> some of the reasoning for the difference, in the first place what you can
>>  do is plasma is not what you can do in qtstyle, they are very difrent in
>>  nature.
> 
> the visual distinction is a purposeful thing indeed and involves more than 
> just the specifics of the air theme. it draws a clear distinction between the 
> things that are "part of the system" (desktop shell and window management, 
> power and network management) and things that are "mine" (applications i 
> launch, documents i view/edit, etc)
> 
Yes, I agree with that.  However, the original poster wanted the themes 
to match.

I guess that I would just like a less "artsy" desktop theme.  My 
suggestion is really that we should have some sets of the three themes 
which match.

OTOH, I have looked into my original issue some more, and it appears 
that what I specifically don't like is only one thing and it appears to 
be a simple design issue.  It appears that the dialogs associated with 
the icons in the SystemTray should use the Application theme.  This is 
(AFAIK) true except for "Notifications and jobs" which uses the Plasma 
(DeskTop) theme.

This looks out of place when notifications popup windows appear as the 
result of something which you did in an application window.  These popup 
windows should use the appropriate style.  I suppose that that might 
mean that a style would need to be selected based on whether the 
notification or job was related to an application or the DeskTop.

OTOH, when you do a "job" in a folder view window, the popup window is 
the Application style which also doesn't match:

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrerj/kde/KDE-4/snapshot002.png

Note that the issue with the screen shot is that there are two popup 
windows and they don't use the same style.

This seems to be rather problematic.  So, perhaps this needs some thought.

In the meantime, I would suggest that the popup windows for 
"Notifications and jobs" use the Application style.

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[kde-artists] [Bug 209268] banner screensaver does not display itself correctly with periods (".") in text.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209268

Oswald Buddenhagen <ossi <at> kde.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|general                     |screensavers
         AssignedTo|kde-artists <at> kde.org         |kscreensaver-bugs-null <at> kde.
                   |                            |org
            Product|artwork                     |kscreensaver

--- Comment #2 from Oswald Buddenhagen <ossi kde org>  2009-10-25 15:16:40 ---
most definitely *not* an artwork bug. kdeartwork > artists.

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