Hans Chen | 2 Nov 2007 12:39
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[kde-artists] Dolphin rounded selection - optical illusion!

Hi,

I'm not sure this is the right mailing list. if not, could you please point me in the right direction?

As the subject implies, this is regarding Dolphin (KDE4). First, I want you to have a look here: http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/lum_herGrid/index.html#
How may black dots do you see?

Now look at my attached picture. While I think the rounded selections look great, there is a problem; they create a similar optical illusion as the grid I linked to! I don't know how this affects the user, but in my opinion it's very annoying. I hope it can be fixed somehow.

With best regards,
Hans Chen

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luci aka Lukas Masek | 2 Nov 2007 19:49
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Re: [kde-artists] Dolphin rounded selection - optical illusion!

hello !

yeah, ouch ! it hurts my eyes :) flashy dots everywhere ! :-p

i think best solution would be no white spacing in the blue and rounded 
corners only for the outline of the whole selection.

just my 2 czech crowns

luci

Hans Chen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure this is the right mailing list. if not, could you please 
> point me in the right direction?
>
> As the subject implies, this is regarding Dolphin (KDE4). First, I 
> want you to have a look here: 
> http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/lum_herGrid/index.html#
> How may black dots do you see?
>
> Now look at my attached picture. While I think the rounded selections 
> look great, there is a problem; they create a similar optical illusion 
> as the grid I linked to! I don't know how this affects the user, but 
> in my opinion it's very annoying. I hope it can be fixed somehow.
>
> With best regards,
> Hans Chen
>
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Pino Toscano | 9 Nov 2007 01:26
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[kde-artists] [Bug 150731] Oxygen - change floppy save icon to a flash card

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Shriramana Sharma | 9 Nov 2007 01:41
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[kde-artists] about the kate/kwrite situation

Hello.

It seems the developers have finally decided to humour poor ol' me and
my long-standing request at:

http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Oxygen/Missing_Icons#Misc_Icon_Requests

Now I see accessories-text-editor.svgz, and it does contrast with
kate.svgz, such that it's somewhat duller than kate, but could we just
add a few words in some bright colours to kate? Would make it much
more bright and enhance the kate/kwrite contrast in my opinion.

Even if the developers decide my request is a WONTFIX, it's OK by me,
but I would appreciate at least a single line from the developers
saying so and the reason for it. Long time I've been bugging you guys
about this (God knows you're working hard) and I've not got a single
word of reply on the list after that initial "OK we'll do this".

Related bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138170
Original request: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-artists&m=117417153312456&w=2
Original developer reply:
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-artists&m=117426954217739&w=2

Thanks for all your patience,

Shriramana Sharma.
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Robert Knight | 9 Nov 2007 17:16
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New panel background

Hello,

The current panel background is cheap programmer art which I threw
together on my first journey into inkscape during the summer.  Given
that we are approaching mid-November, I really would like to see it
replaced with something better.

The background is the SVG file is here in SVN:
kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktoptheme/widgets/panel-background.svg

Attached is a very simple option which just replaces the funny
gradient background with plain black.  It is not very creative but I
think it fits in better given the black backgrounds used for plasma
widgets.  I am sure there are more artistically inclined people
reading this who could produce something much better.

Regards,
Robert.
Hello,

The current panel background is cheap programmer art which I threw
together on my first journey into inkscape during the summer.  Given
that we are approaching mid-November, I really would like to see it
replaced with something better.

The background is the SVG file is here in SVN:
kdebase/workspace/plasma/desktoptheme/widgets/panel-background.svg

Attached is a very simple option which just replaces the funny
gradient background with plain black.  It is not very creative but I
think it fits in better given the black backgrounds used for plasma
widgets.  I am sure there are more artistically inclined people
reading this who could produce something much better.

Regards,
Robert.
Jakob Petsovits | 12 Nov 2007 20:35
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Re: [kde-artists] KDatePicker usability attempt

On Monday, 12. November 2007, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
> I agree that I like Jakob's move to make navigating the year more obvious.
> The problem I found with Jakob's design (besides the separation of month
> and year which he noted) was that navigating the months was horizontal, but
> navigating the year was vertical (scroll box).

True. Also, great follow-up by Stefan, it's good to see further development 
happening :D

> The suggestion you provide helps remedy that.  I think it could be better
> refined by pushing the controls closer to the labels, otherwise they seem
> to be floating.

Pushing the arrows further to the month is probably a bad idea because then 
they move when the month name gets bigger or smaller. It should be possible 
to get the year arrows closer to the year, though.

> Are there any artists paying attention to this?  I would be great if you
> could give some feedback.  The basically controls have been improved, but
> is there room to make it more "pretty"?

I guess it's a good idea to CC the artists list then.
http://lists.kde.org/?t=119487950400003&r=1&w=2 for the thread and
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=119489228300386&w=2 for Stefan's 
current "winner" design (only needs to reduce the year button space).

> (BTW, this is a great example of peer-reviewed design, if anyone read my
> last blog entry)

:D

Also,
On Monday, 12. November 2007, Calum Morrell wrote:
> Stefan Monov wrote:
> >> Can the better one still be improved somehow?
> >
> > Yep, I have attached a version of mine also.
>
> In either version, can you click the year field and type in the year you
> want? Tapping an arrow to reach 1971 has never been enjoyable :)

Yes, you can do that in both versions - although in the original one,
a line edit comes up as a popup. Maybe we should drop that popup and replace 
the year text (or button, technically) with that line edit instead of opening 
it in the popup next to the original text widget?

Just an idea.

 <at> Calum (and Jos): Please remember to CC me, I'm not subscribed to this list.
Or maybe I should subscribe? ...er... I already have too many of them...

 <at> Stefan: the patch! the patch?

Great feedback everyone, wishes,
  Jakob
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David Miller | 12 Nov 2007 22:00

Re: [kde-artists] KDatePicker usability attempt

On Monday 12 November 2007 7:35:11 pm Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> On Monday, 12. November 2007, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
> > I agree that I like Jakob's move to make navigating the year more
> > obvious. The problem I found with Jakob's design (besides the separation
> > of month and year which he noted) was that navigating the months was
> > horizontal, but navigating the year was vertical (scroll box).
>
> True. Also, great follow-up by Stefan, it's good to see further development
> happening :D
>
> > The suggestion you provide helps remedy that.  I think it could be better
> > refined by pushing the controls closer to the labels, otherwise they seem
> > to be floating.
>
> Pushing the arrows further to the month is probably a bad idea because then
> they move when the month name gets bigger or smaller. It should be possible
> to get the year arrows closer to the year, though.
>
> > Are there any artists paying attention to this?  I would be great if you
> > could give some feedback.  The basically controls have been improved, but
> > is there room to make it more "pretty"?
>
> I guess it's a good idea to CC the artists list then.
> http://lists.kde.org/?t=119487950400003&r=1&w=2 for the thread and
> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=119489228300386&w=2 for Stefan's
> current "winner" design (only needs to reduce the year button space).

how about the first attached image? i dont like the blank white space with the 
dates in so i've changed that a bit. 

second image is fwiw how i think it should look. nice big buttons for 
switching between months, and removed the pointless clutter at the bottom of 
the widget. 

source svg included too if anyone wants to play with different layouts

>
> > (BTW, this is a great example of peer-reviewed design, if anyone read my
> > last blog entry)
> >
> :D
>
> Also,
>
> On Monday, 12. November 2007, Calum Morrell wrote:
> > Stefan Monov wrote:
> > >> Can the better one still be improved somehow?
> > >
> > > Yep, I have attached a version of mine also.
> >
> > In either version, can you click the year field and type in the year you
> > want? Tapping an arrow to reach 1971 has never been enjoyable :)
>
> Yes, you can do that in both versions - although in the original one,
> a line edit comes up as a popup. Maybe we should drop that popup and
> replace the year text (or button, technically) with that line edit instead
> of opening it in the popup next to the original text widget?
>
> Just an idea.
>
>  <at> Calum (and Jos): Please remember to CC me, I'm not subscribed to this
> list. Or maybe I should subscribe? ...er... I already have too many of
> them...
>
>  <at> Stefan: the patch! the patch?
>
> Great feedback everyone, wishes,
>   Jakob
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> kde-usability <at> kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability

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pinheiro | 13 Nov 2007 10:36
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Re: [kde-artists] KDatePicker usability attempt

A Monday 12 November 2007 21:00:54, David Miller escreveu:
> On Monday 12 November 2007 7:35:11 pm Jakob Petsovits wrote:
> > On Monday, 12. November 2007, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
> > > I agree that I like Jakob's move to make navigating the year more
> > > obvious. The problem I found with Jakob's design (besides the
> > > separation of month and year which he noted) was that navigating the
> > > months was horizontal, but navigating the year was vertical (scroll
> > > box).
> >
> > True. Also, great follow-up by Stefan, it's good to see further
> > development happening :D
> >
> > > The suggestion you provide helps remedy that.  I think it could be
> > > better refined by pushing the controls closer to the labels, otherwise
> > > they seem to be floating.
> >
> > Pushing the arrows further to the month is probably a bad idea because
> > then they move when the month name gets bigger or smaller. It should be
> > possible to get the year arrows closer to the year, though.
> >
> > > Are there any artists paying attention to this?  I would be great if
> > > you could give some feedback.  The basically controls have been
> > > improved, but is there room to make it more "pretty"?
> >
> > I guess it's a good idea to CC the artists list then.
> > http://lists.kde.org/?t=119487950400003&r=1&w=2 for the thread and
> > http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-usability&m=119489228300386&w=2 for Stefan's
> > current "winner" design (only needs to reduce the year button space).
>
> how about the first attached image? i dont like the blank white space with
> the dates in so i've changed that a bit.
>
> second image is fwiw how i think it should look. nice big buttons for
> switching between months, and removed the pointless clutter at the bottom
> of the widget.
>
> source svg included too if anyone wants to play with different layouts
>
> > > (BTW, this is a great example of peer-reviewed design, if anyone read
> > > my last blog entry)
> > >
> > :D
> >
> > Also,
> >
> > On Monday, 12. November 2007, Calum Morrell wrote:
> > > Stefan Monov wrote:
> > > >> Can the better one still be improved somehow?
> > > >
> > > > Yep, I have attached a version of mine also.
> > >
> > > In either version, can you click the year field and type in the year
> > > you want? Tapping an arrow to reach 1971 has never been enjoyable :)
> >
> > Yes, you can do that in both versions - although in the original one,
> > a line edit comes up as a popup. Maybe we should drop that popup and
> > replace the year text (or button, technically) with that line edit
> > instead of opening it in the popup next to the original text widget?
> >
> > Just an idea.
> >
> >  <at> Calum (and Jos): Please remember to CC me, I'm not subscribed to this
> > list. Or maybe I should subscribe? ...er... I already have too many of
> > them...
> >
> >  <at> Stefan: the patch! the patch?
> >
> > Great feedback everyone, wishes,
> >   Jakob
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-usability mailing list
> > kde-usability <at> kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability

yeah bay yeah, for david looks fantastic:)

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Stephan Kulow | 13 Nov 2007 11:24
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[kde-artists] [Bug 152243] color sceem of cards bad; visibility is bad

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Thibaut Cousin | 1 Nov 2007 13:24

[kde-artists] [Bug 151619] oxygen menus lack borders

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Created an attachment (id=21969)
 --> (http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=21969&action=view)
Lack of contrast with two windows overlapping

Here is a snapshot showing the lack of contrast problem. I opened the
preference window in KMail and put it in front of the main window. Everything
is just white, so it's very confusing: there is nothing to distinguish one
window from the other.

Hope it helps.
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