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Josef Spillner | 1 Aug 2006 19:43
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Re: [kde-artists] HiColor-GNOME

Alle 10:04, lunedì, 31. luglio 2006, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto:
> Some while ago, I mentioned the fact that you could select the HiColor
> icon theme in GNOME.

Can you please show a screenshot which shows a full desktop using this theme?
Not all of us are brave enough to try out a GNOME installation just to have a 
look :)

Josef
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Daniel Leidert | 1 Aug 2006 21:36
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Re: [kde-artists] HiColor-GNOME

Am Dienstag, den 01.08.2006, 19:43 +0200 schrieb Josef Spillner:
> Alle 10:04, lunedì, 31. luglio 2006, James Richard Tyrer ha scritto:
> > Some while ago, I mentioned the fact that you could select the HiColor
> > icon theme in GNOME.
> 
> Can you please show a screenshot which shows a full desktop using this theme?

Hicolor is not a GNOME theme, nor a full icon-theme. So a desktop
running only the hicolor-icon-theme, will not show you many (different)
icons. It's just (or better: it should be) the default fallback-theme.
It's the right place to install theme-icons for applications,
MIME-types, .... So the icons in this theme are provided by several
software packages.

> Not all of us are brave enough to try out a GNOME installation just to have a 
> look :)

http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/latest/ar01s03.html

I don't know, if KDE already supports this spec. If yes, you can have a
look at your own.

Regards, Daniel

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Kenneth Wimer | 1 Aug 2006 21:42

Re: [kde-artists] x-csharp mimetype

HI Jakob,

Thanks for the icon :-)

I put it in the Oxygen dir in SVN. Keep up the good work!

Bye,
Ken

On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Jakob Petsovits wrote:

> Hi artists,
>
> On Wednesday, 26. July 2006 10:44, Jakob Petsovits wrote:
>> x-csharp is also what the fd.o mimetype database uses
>> (see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231),
>> so I think it should be ok. A C# source file icon would also be  
>> great,
>> which is why I'm cc'ing kde-artists.
>>
>> Can I commit the attached .desktop file into trunk's
>> kdelibs/mimetypes/text?
>
> I now committed the C# mimetype called "x-csharp" to kdelibs trunk,  
> so now
> (and also for the shared mimetype database in future) it would be  
> cool to
> have a C# source file icon, at least for Oxygen as a Crystal icon  
> is not
> really needed anymore.
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Josef Spillner | 1 Aug 2006 21:58
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Re: [kde-artists] HiColor-GNOME

Alle 21:36, martedì, 1. agosto 2006, Daniel Leidert ha scritto:
> Hicolor is not a GNOME theme, nor a full icon-theme. So a desktop
> running only the hicolor-icon-theme, will not show you many (different)
> icons. It's just (or better: it should be) the default fallback-theme.
> It's the right place to install theme-icons for applications,
> MIME-types, .... So the icons in this theme are provided by several
> software packages.

Sorry I mixed this up again. But the theme selector adds to the confusion: Why 
should a fallback theme be selectable by the user explicitely? It could mean 
that on every machine where it is selected it gives a different look.

And since 'hicolor' is a name chosen for backwards compatibility only, there's 
no reason to ever expose it to users.

Josef
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Daniel Leidert | 1 Aug 2006 22:31
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Re: [kde-artists] HiColor-GNOME

Am Dienstag, den 01.08.2006, 21:58 +0200 schrieb Josef Spillner:
> Alle 21:36, martedì, 1. agosto 2006, Daniel Leidert ha scritto:
> > Hicolor is not a GNOME theme, nor a full icon-theme. So a desktop
> > running only the hicolor-icon-theme, will not show you many (different)
> > icons. It's just (or better: it should be) the default fallback-theme.
> > It's the right place to install theme-icons for applications,
> > MIME-types, .... So the icons in this theme are provided by several
> > software packages.
> 
> Sorry I mixed this up again. But the theme selector adds to the confusion: Why 
> should a fallback theme be selectable by the user explicitely?

Is it really? I cannot with my Debian Sid - not with GNOME 2.14, nor
XFCE 42./4.4beta1 (I'm not a KDE users, I just read this list). I
remember, that in the times of XFCE 4.0 it was possible. But this just
leads to problems.

> It could mean 
> that on every machine where it is selected it gives a different look.

Only if the user puts massive modifications into this theme-dir. As long
as only upstream puts icons into it (for e.g. an application or MIME
type, etc.pp), it will just miss a lot of icons to be a
full-featured-theme, but the icons therein will be the same. Of course
not all users have the same applications installed, so the content of
this theme-dir between two systems can differ.

> And since 'hicolor' is a name chosen for backwards compatibility only, there's 
> no reason to ever expose it to users.
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James Richard Tyrer | 2 Aug 2006 06:21
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Re: [kde-artists] HiColor-GNOME

Josef Spillner wrote:
> Alle 21:36, martedì, 1. agosto 2006, Daniel Leidert ha scritto:
>> Hicolor is not a GNOME theme, nor a full icon-theme. So a desktop
>> running only the hicolor-icon-theme, will not show you many (different)
>> icons. It's just (or better: it should be) the default fallback-theme.
>> It's the right place to install theme-icons for applications,
>> MIME-types, .... So the icons in this theme are provided by several
>> software packages.
> 
> Sorry I mixed this up again. But the theme selector adds to the confusion: Why 
> should a fallback theme be selectable by the user explicitely? It could mean 
> that on every machine where it is selected it gives a different look.
> 
> And since 'hicolor' is a name chosen for backwards compatibility only, there's 
> no reason to ever expose it to users.

Well that is the question, isn't it.

A while ago when KDE first changed the HiColor icon theme to KDEClassic 
(was that a good idea?  Probably, but we shouldn't have moved all the 
icons) it was clearly stated that KDE should support HiColor:

http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/iconthemes.html

But this was a bit confused.  Several iterations of acting without 
thinking things through followed.  HiColor icons were installed as 
CrystalSVG and CrystalSVG icons were installed as HiColor.  GNOME 
decided to support HiColor and then decided not to install icons as HiColor.

Now we have a mess.  We have a fall back icon theme that doesn't contain
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Jakob Petsovits | 1 Aug 2006 23:26
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Re: [kde-artists] x-csharp mimetype

On Tuesday, 1. August 2006 21:42, Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> I put it in the Oxygen dir in SVN. Keep up the good work!

Thanks a lot. Oxygen will rock! ;)

Best wishes,
  Jakob
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RalfGesellensetter | 6 Aug 2006 17:58
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[kde-artists] Aren't musicians artists, too?

Dear list,

developers of free software (educative apps, games, multimedia) 
certainly do need free artwork to mock up its appearance. This applies 
to optical artwortk as well as to acoustic works.

Looking around, I found some possible approaches to get a grip on free 
music - but missed central projects or repositories (or just failed to 
find them).

Could you, please, comment on this?

Cheers
Ralf
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James Richard Tyrer | 7 Aug 2006 05:55
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Re: [kde-artists] Aren't musicians artists, too?

RalfGesellensetter wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> developers of free software (educative apps, games, multimedia) 
> certainly do need free artwork to mock up its appearance. This
> applies to optical artwortk as well as to acoustic works.

Yes, musicians are artists.  However, this list is for those making
artworks for KDE.  So, it is also for those contributing sound files
(acoustic works) to KDE.
> 
> Looking around, I found some possible approaches to get a grip on
> free music - but missed central projects or repositories (or just
> failed to find them).

But your request is probably off topic for this list.

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JRT
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RalfGesellensetter | 7 Aug 2006 14:52
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Re: [kde-artists] Aren't musicians artists, too?

Dear Richard,

Am Montag 07 August 2006 05:55 schrieb James Richard Tyrer:
> RalfGesellensetter wrote:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > developers of free software (educative apps, games, multimedia)
> > certainly do need free artwork to mock up its appearance. This
> > applies to optical artwortk as well as to acoustic works.
>
> Yes, musicians are artists.  However, this list is for those making
> artworks for KDE.  So, it is also for those contributing sound files
> (acoustic works) to KDE.

So this is saying that this _is_ the right list for sound contributions?
>
> > Looking around, I found some possible approaches to get a grip on
> > free music - but missed central projects or repositories (or just
> > failed to find them).
>
> But your request is probably off topic for this list.

This sounds contradicting to the first paragraph?

Could you please clarify?

Cheers
Ralf
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