Amy Muntz | 12 Nov 2011 14:26
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Re: [Laszlo-dev] OpenMeetings accepted for Apache Incubator

Fantastic! Congratulations

--- Amy
Hi,

the Vote is finally over and we are accepted for Apache's Incubator!

Announcement:
http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com/2011/11/openmeetings-accepted-for-apache.html


Sebastian

2011/9/15 Max Carlson <max-xzAA0BGVa3fSUeElwK9/Pw@public.gmane.org>:
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> This is awesome news. Congratulations!
>
> Regards,
> Max Carlson
>
> On 9/15/11 5:45 AM, seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to announce that we have release OpenMeetings in Version
>> 1.8, based on the OpenLaszlo framework :)
>> I think it can be called quite full-featured:
>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/ChangeLog
>> Although we still try to improve and permantly add new features.
>>
>> We are also applying for the Apache Incubator:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenmeetingsProposal
>> And after a while we have now an Apache Champion and enough Mentors from
>> the Foundation to move on to bring OpenMeetings into the Apache
>> Incubator. So if things work well that could become the first OpenLaszlo
>> powered project at the Apache Foundation!
>>
>>
>> Sebastian
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://openmeetings.googlecode.com
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <mailto:seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>
>



--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org

Henry Minsky | 12 Nov 2011 15:43
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Re: [Laszlo-dev] OpenMeetings accepted for Apache Incubator

Great work!

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:54 AM, seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <seba.wagner <at> gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

the Vote is finally over and we are accepted for Apache's Incubator!

Announcement:
http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com/2011/11/openmeetings-accepted-for-apache.html


Sebastian

2011/9/15 Max Carlson <max-xzAA0BGVa3fSUeElwK9/Pw@public.gmane.org>:
> Hi Sebastian,
>
> This is awesome news. Congratulations!
>
> Regards,
> Max Carlson
>
> On 9/15/11 5:45 AM, seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to announce that we have release OpenMeetings in Version
>> 1.8, based on the OpenLaszlo framework :)
>> I think it can be called quite full-featured:
>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/ChangeLog
>> Although we still try to improve and permantly add new features.
>>
>> We are also applying for the Apache Incubator:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenmeetingsProposal
>> And after a while we have now an Apache Champion and enough Mentors from
>> the Foundation to move on to bring OpenMeetings into the Apache
>> Incubator. So if things work well that could become the first OpenLaszlo
>> powered project at the Apache Foundation!
>>
>>
>> Sebastian
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://openmeetings.googlecode.com
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <mailto:seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>
>



--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner <at> gmail.com




--
Henry Minsky



Raju Bitter | 13 Nov 2011 08:00

Re: [Laszlo-dev] OpenMeetings accepted for Apache Incubator

Congratulations, Sebastian! You have worked very hard for so many
years on the project, and it's fantastic that you managed to get
Apache interested in it.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Sarah Allen <sarah@...> wrote:
> Congratulations!  This is great news.  Keep us posted as it develops.
> Sarah
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 3:54 AM, seba.wagner@... wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> the Vote is finally over and we are accepted for Apache's Incubator!
>
> Announcement:
> http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com/2011/11/openmeetings-accepted-for-apache.html
>
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2011/9/15 Max Carlson <max@...>:
>> Hi Sebastian,
>>
>> This is awesome news. Congratulations!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Max Carlson
>>
>> On 9/15/11 5:45 AM, seba.wagner@... wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to announce that we have release OpenMeetings in Version
>>> 1.8, based on the OpenLaszlo framework :)
>>> I think it can be called quite full-featured:
>>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/ChangeLog
>>> Although we still try to improve and permantly add new features.
>>>
>>> We are also applying for the Apache Incubator:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenmeetingsProposal
>>> And after a while we have now an Apache Champion and enough Mentors from
>>> the Foundation to move on to bring OpenMeetings into the Apache
>>> Incubator. So if things work well that could become the first OpenLaszlo
>>> powered project at the Apache Foundation!
>>>
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> http://openmeetings.googlecode.com
>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> seba.wagner@... <mailto:seba.wagner@...>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@...
>
>
>

Raju Bitter | 17 Nov 2011 12:05

Re: [Laszlo-dev] Adobe preparing Proposals for Flex and BlazeDS for Apache Incubation

Oh, sorry, double posted this. Looks like Seb was faster. :-)

I can only agree with him on the idea to contribute OpenLaszlo to the
ASF. I don't believe Laszlo will be able to maintain OpenLaszlo in a
way that it is a relevant HTML5 platform without growing support from
companies and a stronger community.

I think that Adobe has a good chance that Flex will be an ASF project
at some point. They already have a project in the incubator with
PhoneGap/Callback, which is one of the more promising projects
incubated by ASF:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/callback.html
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/09/phonegap-applies-to-apache-sof.php

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, seba.wagner@...
<seba.wagner@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Adobe has publicly announced that they are preparing Proposals for the
> Apache Foundation:
> http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html
>
> Quote:What specifically is Adobe proposing?
>
> We are preparing two proposals for incubating Flex SDK and BlazeDS at the
> Apache Software Foundation.
>
> In the previous announcement they announced that they will use their own
> Foundation. Which potentially could lock-out 3th parties. If its an ASF
> project things are different.
>
> It might be worth (if Adobe's Proposal will be accepted) if the team of
> OpenLaszlo thinks about contributing to that project too.
> There is no barrier anymore to benefit from the wide acceptance of Flex.
> Once it is part of the ASF OpenLaszlo could profit from sharing the dev
> costs with others.
>
> Customers will not care about the battle between OL and Flex at all in the
> end but for OpenLaszlo it is a chance to get on the road again.
>
> But it is still an early stage, it seems like there has been no contact
> between Adobe and Apache Foundation yet and there is no statement yet how
> ASF will react on a potential Proposal.
>
> Sebastian
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@...
>

Raju Bitter | 17 Nov 2011 12:09

Re: [Laszlo-dev] Adobe preparing Proposals for Flex and BlazeDS for Apache Incubation

For the PhoneGap/Apache Callback project, IBM is one of the
co-sponsors, as Arstechnica reported:
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/10/phonegap-to-become-an-apache-project-as-adobe-acquires-nitobi.ars
"Adobe and Nitobi are moving PhoneGap to the non-profit Apache
Software Foundation (ASF), where it will be developed as an Apache
Incubator project called Callback. The proposal—which is still be
reviewed by the ASF—is cosponsored by IBM, another major PhoneGap
contributor. Coordinating future PhoneGap development through the ASF
will ensure that the project continues to benefit from an open
governance model."

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Raju Bitter
<r.bitter.mailinglists@...> wrote:
> Oh, sorry, double posted this. Looks like Seb was faster. :-)
>
> I can only agree with him on the idea to contribute OpenLaszlo to the
> ASF. I don't believe Laszlo will be able to maintain OpenLaszlo in a
> way that it is a relevant HTML5 platform without growing support from
> companies and a stronger community.
>
> I think that Adobe has a good chance that Flex will be an ASF project
> at some point. They already have a project in the incubator with
> PhoneGap/Callback, which is one of the more promising projects
> incubated by ASF:
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/callback.html
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/09/phonegap-applies-to-apache-sof.php
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, seba.wagner@...
> <seba.wagner@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Adobe has publicly announced that they are preparing Proposals for the
>> Apache Foundation:
>> http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html
>>
>> Quote:What specifically is Adobe proposing?
>>
>> We are preparing two proposals for incubating Flex SDK and BlazeDS at the
>> Apache Software Foundation.
>>
>> In the previous announcement they announced that they will use their own
>> Foundation. Which potentially could lock-out 3th parties. If its an ASF
>> project things are different.
>>
>> It might be worth (if Adobe's Proposal will be accepted) if the team of
>> OpenLaszlo thinks about contributing to that project too.
>> There is no barrier anymore to benefit from the wide acceptance of Flex.
>> Once it is part of the ASF OpenLaszlo could profit from sharing the dev
>> costs with others.
>>
>> Customers will not care about the battle between OL and Flex at all in the
>> end but for OpenLaszlo it is a chance to get on the road again.
>>
>> But it is still an early stage, it seems like there has been no contact
>> between Adobe and Apache Foundation yet and there is no statement yet how
>> ASF will react on a potential Proposal.
>>
>> Sebastian
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> http://www.openmeetings.de
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@...
>>
>

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SWF10 migration workaround

Hi,

I would like to share some SWF10 migration concept ... might be helpfull for other folks as well or maybe somebody has some feedback:

Timur and German from our development team at OpenMeetings migrated OpenMeetings by making a making a SWF10 container and instead of rewriting the complete codebase they just load the existing SWF8 into the SWF10 container.
They implemented some LocalConnection to communicate between both SWFs.
They simply just extend the SWF10 container with those functionalities that are needed from SWF10 and stay for the rest inside the SWF8 container.

It is a little bit confusing to have two Laszlo debugging windows, but actually it works pretty well.

We are currently hammering out some bugs before we merge it to the trunk, but you can get the sources from our repository already.

Any thoughts on this?


Thanks
Sebastian


--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org

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Re: [Laszlo-dev] SWF10 migration workaround

Yes,

migrating the whole application to SWF10 is a lot of work.

The SWF10-Only restriction does no more exists for Android tablets.
OpenMeetings already runs on Android tablets also as SWF8, on my Motorola Xoom with Android 3.2 for example.
What does not work at all is accessing the Webcam or Microphone, no matter if you use SWF10 or SWF8. But you can watch videos and live streams of other users.
For accessing the cam/micro you need coding a native Android application using some Java RTMP library.

Sebastian


2011/11/21 Raju Bitter <r.bitter.mailinglists-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
Thanks, Sebastian, that's an interesting approach.

Why didn't you migrate the whole application to SWF10? SWF8
performance is so much lower than SWF10 - especially if you'd ever
plan to create an Android tablet app of OpenMeetings. Would that have
been too much work?

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:47 PM, seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
<seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to share some SWF10 migration concept ... might be helpfull for
> other folks as well or maybe somebody has some feedback:
>
> Timur and German from our development team at OpenMeetings migrated
> OpenMeetings by making a making a SWF10 container and instead of rewriting
> the complete codebase they just load the existing SWF8 into the SWF10
> container.
> They implemented some LocalConnection to communicate between both SWFs.
> They simply just extend the SWF10 container with those functionalities that
> are needed from SWF10 and stay for the rest inside the SWF8 container.
>
> It is a little bit confusing to have two Laszlo debugging windows, but
> actually it works pretty well.
>
> We are currently hammering out some bugs before we merge it to the trunk,
> but you can get the sources from our repository already.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
>
> Thanks
> Sebastian
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
>



--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
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Laszlo DTD and a script that generates DTD's based on custom project files

Hi,

there is currently no public lzx.dtd in the internet (again ;))
Are there plans to change that?

Also it still is a problem that there is no ANT or similar task to generate such a DTD based on a custom project where you define your own classes and extend the DTD that way.
Actually it might be a trivial thing to write a DTD-Generator based on tools like http://saxon.sourceforge.net/dtdgen.html that re-creates a DTD based on your custom code.

By using a DTD you have almost some kind of code intelligence in Eclipse (and other XML Editors that use DTD validation).
If you just specify for example the DTD in Eclipse for a XML file you can type the "<" bracket and get all suggestions available similar to the "ANT-Editor".
I guess having this kind of auto-completion and validation would be a huge step for a lot of people to start coding with LZX more effectively and intuitive then looking up the API docs in the internet.

I am used to ignore them but I also would like to get rid of all those warnings in Eclipse complaining about missing DTD sections in the lzx files
Maybe I will find some time to contribute such a DTD generator :)
Such a generator tool could even show you errors in your code... actually having a DTD generator is like having 50% of a potential OpenLaszloIDE.

Was there such a DTD generator script already existing in current OpenLaszlo's SVN?

Sebastian

--
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http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org

Bret Simister | 21 Nov 2011 21:33
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Re: [Laszlo-dev] Laszlo DTD and a script that generates DTD's based on custom project files

Hi,

there is currently no public lzx.dtd in the internet (again ;))
Are there plans to change that?

Also it still is a problem that there is no ANT or similar task to generate such a DTD based on a custom project where you define your own classes and extend the DTD that way.
Actually it might be a trivial thing to write a DTD-Generator based on tools like http://saxon.sourceforge.net/dtdgen.html that re-creates a DTD based on your custom code.

By using a DTD you have almost some kind of code intelligence in Eclipse (and other XML Editors that use DTD validation).
If you just specify for example the DTD in Eclipse for a XML file you can type the "<" bracket and get all suggestions available similar to the "ANT-Editor".
I guess having this kind of auto-completion and validation would be a huge step for a lot of people to start coding with LZX more effectively and intuitive then looking up the API docs in the internet.

I am used to ignore them but I also would like to get rid of all those warnings in Eclipse complaining about missing DTD sections in the lzx files
Maybe I will find some time to contribute such a DTD generator :)
Such a generator tool could even show you errors in your code... actually having a DTD generator is like having 50% of a potential OpenLaszloIDE.

Was there such a DTD generator script already existing in current OpenLaszlo's SVN?

Sebastian

--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
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Re: Laszlo DTD and a script that generates DTD's based on custom project files

Okay,

I started on that task right now, shall I assign this issue to me then?

I would implemented it using an usual SAXParser, I would prepare a basic sample before commiting.

I have to admit that I need to lookup my SVN account for the openlaszlo repo and the process of commiting anything but I guess I can take care of it to that point where its possible to integrate it into trunk.

Sebastian


2011/11/22 P T Withington <ptw-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
There's a Jira for that:

http://jira.openlaszlo.org/jira/browse/LPP-7225

On 2011-11-21, at 13:49, seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there is currently no public lzx.dtd in the internet (again ;))
> Are there plans to change that?
>
> Also it still is a problem that there is no ANT or similar task to generate
> such a DTD based on a custom project where you define your own classes and
> extend the DTD that way.
> Actually it might be a trivial thing to write a DTD-Generator based on
> tools like http://saxon.sourceforge.net/dtdgen.html that re-creates a DTD
> based on your custom code.
>
> By using a DTD you have almost some kind of code intelligence in Eclipse
> (and other XML Editors that use DTD validation).
> If you just specify for example the DTD in Eclipse for a XML file you can
> type the "<" bracket and get all suggestions available similar to the
> "ANT-Editor".
> I guess having this kind of auto-completion and validation would be a huge
> step for a lot of people to start coding with LZX more effectively and
> intuitive then looking up the API docs in the internet.
>
> I am used to ignore them but I also would like to get rid of all those
> warnings in Eclipse complaining about missing DTD sections in the lzx files
> Maybe I will find some time to contribute such a DTD generator :)
> Such a generator tool could even show you errors in your code... actually
> having a DTD generator is like having 50% of a potential OpenLaszloIDE.
>
> Was there such a DTD generator script already existing in current
> OpenLaszlo's SVN?
>
> Sebastian
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org




--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org

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