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ryenus | 6 Apr 2011 17:42
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declarative getter/setter via annotation


Here is a trivial one, I wonder if it's ok to request for something like
declarative getter/setter to access class fields, namely via annotations 

such as:
 <at> accessor(set,is)
private boolean field1;

AND

 <at> accessor(set,get)
private int filed2;

in case there are multiple fields declared together, all fields should have
getter/setter generated, such as:
 <at> accessor(set,get)
private String field3, field4;

This can reduce the noises incurred by plain getter/setter's, especially for
big classes with a lot of fields.

mark.reinhold wrote:
> 
> It's time to start thinking about planning JDK 8.
> 
> We already know what some of the big-ticket items are likely to be.
> There'll be room for other features too, however, both large and small.
> It's therefore time to define a simple process for collecting, sorting,
> reviewing, and prioritizing proposals and plans for new features, for
> JDK 8 and for later releases.
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roger.calnan | 25 Apr 2011 22:56
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Auto Reply: Project Proposal: Build Infrastructure Changes

I am currently traveling, please contact Stephen Fitch
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Thanks,

Roger
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Andrew Haley | 27 Apr 2011 10:39
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Re: Oracle will disc.. Itanium

On 28/03/11 16:38, Volker Simonis wrote:
> Just for clarification (and in response to your last messages on the
> "OpenJDK for Virtualization"-thread):
> 
> - OpenJDK doesn't currently support Itanium in any way (and it would
> be not trivial to add Itanium support from scratch)
> 
> - IcedTea (http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page) once build and
> run on Itanium, but there's evidence that that's not the case anymore:
> see http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345433. Notice that this
> was an Interpreter only version based on Gary Bensons Zero-port of the
> the OpenJDK. As this project was sponsored by RedHad and RedHad
> dropped Itanium support you probably don't have to be a visionary to
> predict its future.

"Red Hat", please.

Zero is portable C++.  All it takes is someone who actually has an
Itanium box to fix the bugs; if no-one who cares has an Itanium box
then it doesn't matter anyway.

Andrew.
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Fernando Cassia | 28 Apr 2011 10:52
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Dr Andrew John Hughes
<gnu_andrew@...> wrote:
> So in short, this unelected self-imposed board

Dear Andrew,

Please read this:

http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2010/how-to-convince-anyone-of-anything/

FC
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Fernando Cassia | 28 Apr 2011 11:56
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Mark Wielaard <mark@...> wrote:
> So, how do you propose this so called "governing board" goes about
> convincing people like Andrew to not throw up their hands in disgust at
> ignoring the people doing actual community work and trying very hard not
> to just have to give up on OpenJDK and fork away? This board is largely
> made up of people which are not even actual OpenJDK hackers.

I know very little things, Mark. I just have a few opinions, one of
them is that the companies that have put more man hours into a project
(or even, created them!) and pays for most of its developers should
have a bigger say in the direction a given FOSS project, than a few
vocal chronic complainers that apparently would only be happy if such
companies "give up" all control of the project, all in the name of
"community" of course.

The FSF has repeatedly refused to take down RMS´ anti-java rant "the
java trap" article even while it has been renedered obsolete years
ago, the moment Sun Microsystems decided to release Java SE as Free
Software.

So, "it takes two for tango", and sadly -as a former FSF contributor-,
I can´t say I know what the FSF´s true intentions are anymore, and
that rants like Andrew´s which start by attacking the governing board
contribute very little to a climate of collaboration or moving things
forward, unless of course the aim is to create the self-fulfilling
prophecy, that is in this case, a fork.

But hey, that´s me and my probably wrong, baseless and biased
opinions, I´m sure.
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Henri Gomez | 28 Apr 2011 12:05
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

> You're assuming I'm trying to convince.  As both Simon and Mark point
> out, we've already tried that with the governance board and bylaws,
> and seen no result.  We also been working on this project for four
> years and we still have to put up with stuff like this.  I did spend
> time thinking about how to put this (believe it or not), but nothing
> but being rather blunt and direct seemed appropriate to express my
> disgust at these actions.
>
> I'm tired of being diplomatic and having to chase around after every
> little decision.  I'd just like to be able to hack code in a friendly
> community and make OpenJDK great.  At present, this project couldn't
> be further from that.  If you wonder why there aren't many independent
> contributors to OpenJDK, then this is it.  I wouldn't be contributing
> to it if I wasn't being paid to do so.
> --
> Andrew :-)

Concretely what could be done to make OpenJDK more community/open aware ?
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Simon Phipps | 28 Apr 2011 13:27
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21


On 28 Apr 2011, at 11:48, Mark Wielaard wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 06:56 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>> 
>> The FSF has repeatedly refused to take down RMS´ anti-java rant "the
>> java trap" article even while it has been renedered obsolete years
>> ago, the moment Sun Microsystems decided to release Java SE as Free
>> Software.
> 
> As far as I know the FSF celebrated that release:
> http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html
> And explained the Java Trap is no more by adding a giant "Headnote" to
> their old article explaining that "the Java language as such is no
> longer a trap":
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html

Indeed, I have a video of RMS asserting that the Java Trap no longer applies to Java - see
http://wmk.me/JavaTrap to view it.

S.
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Fernando Cassia | 28 Apr 2011 14:45
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Simon Phipps <simon@...> wrote:
> Indeed, I have a video of RMS asserting that the Java Trap no longer applies to Java - see
http://wmk.me/JavaTrap to view it.

I was speaking to the strange reluctance to pull it down, specially
when some search requests end up with "the java trap" among the first
results.

Would the FSF be OK with an article titled "The Free Software Trap"
even if it includes a headline on top saying "this is no longer the
case".?

In any case, the FSF told me it´ll "stay there forever".

---
> I wonder why does that article still need be on-
> line?.

It'll stay there forever, but yes, it will be updated to reflect OpenJDK.

--
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Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
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Dr Andrew John Hughes | 29 Apr 2011 03:06
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Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

On 28 April 2011 12:27, Simon Phipps <simon@...> wrote:
>
> On 28 Apr 2011, at 11:48, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 06:56 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>>
>>> The FSF has repeatedly refused to take down RMS´ anti-java rant "the
>>> java trap" article even while it has been renedered obsolete years
>>> ago, the moment Sun Microsystems decided to release Java SE as Free
>>> Software.
>>
>> As far as I know the FSF celebrated that release:
>> http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html
>> And explained the Java Trap is no more by adding a giant "Headnote" to
>> their old article explaining that "the Java language as such is no
>> longer a trap":
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
>
> Indeed, I have a video of RMS asserting that the Java Trap no longer applies to Java - see
http://wmk.me/JavaTrap to view it.
>
> S.
>
>

On the subject of videos and FOSDEM, I've finally found time to start
sorting out the recordings from FOSDEM 2011.

You can now get Simon's talk from the Free Java event, "Lessons Open
Sourcing Java Taught Me", which included discussion on the governance
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Mario Torre | 29 Apr 2011 19:26

Re: OpenJDK Governing Board Minutes: 20011/4/21

Il giorno gio, 28/04/2011 alle 12.16 +0100, Simon Phipps ha scritto:
> On 28 Apr 2011, at 11:33, Andrew Haley wrote:
> 
> > On 28/04/11 11:30, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> >> 
> >> - Get rid of the SCA. Commit to using the GPL for everything.
> >>  People should be able to be members of the community without
> >>  having to assign all their rights on non-reciprocal terms to
> >>  Oracle.
> > 
> > I'd like to respond to that, but shouldn't we drop gb-discuss from
> > the groups list to do so?  We're getting off-topic.
> 
> Given we are discussing governance I suggest we drop discuss <at>  instead. My comments only appear there, for example.
> 
> S.

No please, this is an important topic, valid for discuss, not just
specific to gb (besides, I don't want to subscribe to the new mailing
list in the middle of a thread :).

Cheers,
Mario
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