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David Smiley | 1 Sep 2005 21:13
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GMANE

Hello all.  I love using GMANE ( http://www.gmane.org ) to access 
mailing lists because:
1. one stop mailing-list shopping -- a consistent experience
2. NNTP access
3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a member 
of, examining the responses, and then leaving.
4. emails for lists don't go into my mailbox; I don't want them there (I 
prefer NNTP)

I think a mention of GMANE on Jakarta would be helpful for the 
community.  This page could use it:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html   (by the "Archives" section)
And perhaps elsewhere; I don't know.

Thanks for listening.

~ David Smiley
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robert burrell donkin | 1 Sep 2005 23:07
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Re: GMANE

On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 15:13 -0400, David Smiley wrote:
> Hello all.  I love using GMANE ( http://www.gmane.org ) to access 
> mailing lists because:
> 1. one stop mailing-list shopping -- a consistent experience
> 2. NNTP access
> 3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a member 
> of, examining the responses, and then leaving.
> 4. emails for lists don't go into my mailbox; I don't want them there (I 
> prefer NNTP)
> 
> I think a mention of GMANE on Jakarta would be helpful for the 
> community.  This page could use it:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html   (by the "Archives" section)
> And perhaps elsewhere; I don't know.

if you think so then create a patch and contribute it though bugzilla :)

- robert
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Martin Cooper | 1 Sep 2005 23:56
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Re: GMANE


On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, David Smiley wrote:

> Hello all.  I love using GMANE ( http://www.gmane.org ) to access mailing 
> lists because:
> 1. one stop mailing-list shopping -- a consistent experience
> 2. NNTP access
> 3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a member of, 
> examining the responses, and then leaving.

IMHO, this is actually a reason to *not* provide a link to Gmane on our 
site, since it's anti-community, and community is what we are about.

One other point to bear in mind is that Gmane isn't the only service of 
its kind. I believe Roomity aspires to be another Gmane, and there are 
probably others. I'm not sure we want to be keeping pointers to all of 
them, and we shouldn't be picking favourites. ;-)

--
Martin Cooper

> 4. emails for lists don't go into my mailbox; I don't want them there (I 
> prefer NNTP)
>
> I think a mention of GMANE on Jakarta would be helpful for the community. 
> This page could use it:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html   (by the "Archives" section)
> And perhaps elsewhere; I don't know.
>
> Thanks for listening.
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Christian Grünberg | 2 Sep 2005 01:01
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Christian Grünberg/R03/DVO/LVM/DE ist außer Haus.

Ich werde ab  01.09.2005 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am
12.09.2005.

Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner Rückkehr beantworten.
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Danny Angus | 2 Sep 2005 10:31
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Re: GMANE


I agree with Martin (below)
While we might not want to prevent people accessing our lists using these
services the only *official* method is to subscribe.

d.

> 3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a member
of,
> examining the responses, and then leaving.

IMHO, this is actually a reason to *not* provide a link to Gmane on our
site, since it's anti-community, and community is what we are about.

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Apache Wiki | 2 Sep 2005 13:03
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[Jakarta Wiki] Update of "JakartaBoardReport-September2005" by HenningSchmiedehausen

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Add some notes about stuff going on in Turbine

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   * 28 June 2005 - HiveMind 1.1-beta-2 Released
   * 26 June 2005 - Commons HttpClient 3.0rc3 Released
   * 25 June 2005 - Tapestry 4.0-beta-1 Released 
+  * 02 September 2005 - Turbine Stratum 1.0 Released

  === Community changes ===

 <at>  <at>  -17, +18  <at>  <at> 

  SVN Migrations:

      * Slide complete.
+     * Turbine moved to SVN.

  === Subproject news ===
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[Jakarta Wiki] Update of "JakartaBoardReport-September2005" by SebastianBazley

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JMeter 2.1 released

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   * 26 June 2005 - Commons HttpClient 3.0rc3 Released
   * 25 June 2005 - Tapestry 4.0-beta-1 Released 
   * 02 September 2005 - Turbine Stratum 1.0 Released
+  * 24 Aug  2005 - JMeter 2.1 released

  === Community changes ===
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David Smiley | 2 Sep 2005 20:21
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Re: GMANE

Martin Cooper wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, David Smiley wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.  I love using GMANE ( http://www.gmane.org ) to access 
>> mailing lists because:
>> 1. one stop mailing-list shopping -- a consistent experience
>> 2. NNTP access
>> 3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a 
>> member of, examining the responses, and then leaving.
> 
> 
> IMHO, this is actually a reason to *not* provide a link to Gmane on our 
> site, since it's anti-community, and community is what we are about.

I don't think GMANE is anti-community, but I'll grant you that my #3 
_use-case_ of newsgroups / GMANE is debatable.  I can use GMANE to stay 
in touch with a community just as I can with mailing lists directly.

I understand where you're coming from... but if I were to follow your 
principal strongly then I'd probably have no time to develop code since 
I'd be busy keeping up with at least a dozen "communities".  Your policy 
suggests one should have strong ties with a community (by being on the 
mailing list and presumably scanning it) or divorce themselves from it 
completely.  I don't think your extreme is fair to those who want to be 
inbetween.  A great reason for my use-case, I think, is a bug report.  I 
don't want to become part of the community because I just have no time. 
  But I do want to contribute a bug report and be a good user of the 
software.
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Stephen Colebourne | 3 Sep 2005 13:11

Re: GMANE

Martin Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, David Smiley wrote:
> 
>> Hello all.  I love using GMANE ( http://www.gmane.org ) to access 
>> mailing lists because:
>> 1. one stop mailing-list shopping -- a consistent experience
>> 2. NNTP access
>> 3. easiest path to posting a question to a list that you're not a 
>> member of, examining the responses, and then leaving.
> 
> IMHO, this is actually a reason to *not* provide a link to Gmane on our 
> site, since it's anti-community, and community is what we are about.

I think anti-community is not a good term to use here. IMHO, any user 
taking an interest in our libraries is A Good Thing, no matter how they 
interact. For many, gmane will be a good choice. We certainly should not 
give the impression of being insular and only accepting access by 
mailing list.

> One other point to bear in mind is that Gmane isn't the only service of 
> its kind. I believe Roomity aspires to be another Gmane, and there are 
> probably others. I'm not sure we want to be keeping pointers to all of 
> them, and we shouldn't be picking favourites. ;-)

This is probably a good reason not to have the link though.

Stephen
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[Jakarta Wiki] Update of "JakartaBoardReport-September2005" by HenriYandell

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Filling out the report

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  === Status ===

+ Issues for Hen to write up:
+ 
+  * HttpClient renaming query
+  * BeanUtils legal issue
+  * Silk subproject - Taglibs will attempt to have a grand clear out and move to Silk
+  * Standard to be promoted
+ 
+ Managing inactivity is a critical issue:
+ 
+  * Taglibs teetering dangerously close to inactivity
+  * BCEL activity increased, next step is to build the developer community
+  * Failure to improve BSF PMC oversight this quarter (chair's fault), critical for the next quarter.
+  * Velocity inactivity debate.
+  * Commons/ApacheCon EU brought forth the 'commons-dormant' concept to get lots of sandbox'd projects
that are utterly inactive out of the way of the active ones.
+
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