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roebuckr | 3 Jul 2005 05:03

RE: Re: Ontology vs. taxonomy

I agree with this assessment.  By "form of structure", I'm considering
"architecture" as the appropriate term for that form.  

If you consider "structure" of a thing (a named/identified thing,
specifically) as being the infinitely complex (i.e., fractal), implicate
arrangement of the parts of the thing (i.e., its parts and their
relationships") in nature, the thing's reality, then "architecture" is the
subset of that thing's infinite structure that we can:

*         perceive via our senses (animal and/or technically-extended) and
thoughts (individual and/or group imaginings), 

*         model mentally (perhaps reflecting the way the brain works) and/or
as a record (via diagramming as in directed labeled graphs (DLG), via
structured text such as RDF/OWL triples, or in unstructured text by tagging,
linking, etc.), and 

*         sometimes share (via gesture, image, word) via our body (via
voice, eye, gesture, etc.) or our technological extensions of that body
(e.g., tele-things such as drums to smoke signals to Internet).

>From this perspective, everyone builds an "architecture" of their world
(with all of their unique facets/views/vantage points), and sometimes shares
that architecture with others (via stories, societal constraints, , mind
maps (as taxonomies) concept maps (as rudimentary semantic models, data
models, and ontologies), etc.) Thus an architecture also fits the definition
of an ontology (a "model of how something works", or in more AI specific
terms, a "specification of a conceptualization", or "details of a perceived
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zaigraev | 7 Jul 2005 16:51
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facets

Hello all,

I am interested in the topic of facets and faceted classification. 
I've read a bunch of articles on these topics but found no crisp 
definition. Below I list what I have accumulated so far, and I would 
highly appreciate some feedback from the group:

-	A facet is the domain of a property (or attribute) of an 
object. For instance, if we classify scientific articles, then a 
facet might comprise years of publication or types of conferences 
(AI, IR, etc);
-	Facets must be mutually disjoint as years and conference 
types in the previous item. There may not be two facets where one is 
decades and another is years;
-	A facet itself may be represented at different level of 
detail, for instance it can be a taxonomy. As from the previous 
item, the structure of a facet may not contain other facets 
considered together for a given classification. An example is a food 
taxonomy for the "main ingredient" attribute in a classification of 
a French cuisine;
-	When browsing the user may start with any facet (e.g., 
select year of conferences), then proceed to any other, and so on 
until required combination of facets' values is reached. This is 
different from standard taxonomic classifications where browsing is 
always done top down (from most general to most specific category).

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William Denton | 12 Jul 2005 15:59
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Facet sliders at Amazon

Here's an interesting thing I saw linked at iaslash.org:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/finder/104-4110715-5037550?productGroupID=loose%5fdiamonds

It's a tool for choosing diamonds at Amazon.com, and it uses sliders to
let the user choose from price, carat, cut, colour, and clarity.  Shape is
the only facet given discrete options.  As you make your choices and move
the sliders around, you're told how many diamonds match your choices.
That part of it is a little slow--by which I mean it's not
instantaneous--but it's a nice interface and good example of choosing from
facets.

Bill
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Karl Fast | 12 Jul 2005 16:11
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> It's a tool for choosing diamonds at Amazon.com, and it uses sliders
> to let the user choose from price, carat, cut, colour, and clarity.

This is an example of "dynamic queries" which have been a staple of
information visualization tools for many years. Famous early
prototypes of dynamic queries include the Home Finder and the Film
Finder. Today, the commercial tool called Spotfire is heavily based
on dynamic queries.

To learn more about dynamic queries and these early prototypes, see
this article (includes videos demonstrating these tools)

http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/spotfire/

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Travis Wilson | 12 Jul 2005 17:46

Re: Facet sliders at Amazon

I guess this qualifies as a plug. We've had a slider up at facetmap for a 
while: <http://facetmap.com/browse>

I'd appreciate any feedback, since we'd like to develop and release a whole 
set of dynamic query tools that tie into the facetmap model. I need to know 
if it's the sort of thing web designers are looking for.

Thanks,
- Travis

Travis Wilson
Development
http://facetmap.com

At 7/12/2005 06:59 AM, you wrote:
>Here's an interesting thing I saw linked at iaslash.org:
>
>http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/finder/104-4110715-5037550?productGroupID=loose%5fdiamonds
>
>It's a tool for choosing diamonds at Amazon.com, and it uses sliders to
>let the user choose from price, carat, cut, colour, and clarity.  Shape is
>the only facet given discrete options.  As you make your choices and move
>the sliders around, you're told how many diamonds match your choices.
>That part of it is a little slow--by which I mean it's not
>instantaneous--but it's a nice interface and good example of choosing from
>facets.
>
>Bill
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Louie Mayor | 12 Jul 2005 18:08
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Re: Facet sliders at Amazon

Hi Bill,

Thanks for this sharing this.

I'm a big fan of your work in www.miskatonic.org,
which is a major reference for my university paper.
I'd like to thank you for creating a great reference
that discusses classic facet classification
techniques, incorporating clear approaches to building
the facets and foci into a relational database.

I have a small inquiry though - I'd like to ask
whether or not Spiteri's work, which you quoted from
the Canadian Journal of Library and Information
Science, is accessible for free somewhere. Our library
here in the University of the Philippines does not
carry the journal (and many other journals for that
matter), and I am really aching to check out Spiteri's
work directly.

Thank you in advance!

~Louie Mayor

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> iaslash.org:
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klabarre | 12 Jul 2005 18:46
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Spiteri online


AIFIA - now the IA Institue has graciously posted this on their site:

A Simplified Model for Facet Analysis
Dr. Louise Spiteri

http://iainstitute.org/pg/a_simplified_model_for_facet_analysis.php

Best,

Kathryn La Barre

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Eric Scheid | 12 Jul 2005 19:37
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Re: Facet sliders at Amazon

On 13/7/05 1:46 AM, "Travis Wilson" <trav <at> facetmap.com> wrote:

> I guess this qualifies as a plug. We've had a slider up at facetmap for a
> while: <http://facetmap.com/browse>
> 
> I'd appreciate any feedback, since we'd like to develop and release a whole
> set of dynamic query tools that tie into the facetmap model. I need to know
> if it's the sort of thing web designers are looking for.

nice that it works in Safari, which can't be said for the Amazon thing.

e.

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William Denton | 12 Jul 2005 19:45
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Re: Facet sliders at Amazon

On 12 July 2005, Travis Wilson wrote:

: I guess this qualifies as a plug. We've had a slider up at facetmap for a
: while: <http://facetmap.com/browse>

Nice work.  If I were building a web site where I could use sliders,
that's the kind of thing I'd want.  Do you have any plans to add a bit of
Ajax or something so that the counts by varietal, price, and region change
as the sliders move?

Bill
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Melvin Kumar | 13 Jul 2005 13:53
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Re: Facet sliders at Amazon

Hi Louie and everyone,

You might check out Spiteri's paper from IA Institute's website.

The url to the paper is as follows:

http://iainstitute.org/pg/a_simplified_model_for_facet_analysis.php

Regards,

Jay 

On 7/13/05, Louie Mayor <mithrilclad <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Thanks for this sharing this.
> 
> I'm a big fan of your work in www.miskatonic.org,
> which is a major reference for my university paper.
> I'd like to thank you for creating a great reference
> that discusses classic facet classification
> techniques, incorporating clear approaches to building
> the facets and foci into a relational database.
> 
> I have a small inquiry though - I'd like to ask
> whether or not Spiteri's work, which you quoted from
> the Canadian Journal of Library and Information
> Science, is accessible for free somewhere. Our library
> here in the University of the Philippines does not
> carry the journal (and many other journals for that
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